Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

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Cron Mar 2, 2014 @ 7:30am
Is this the moment that I should try this game?

Can someone - without emotions - give me comparison to the Shogun 2? Does game improved after 9 patches?
Yes, I have seen Angry Joe video but it was at release and now on forums more often i see posts that game is 'good' at current state. I have seen some videos of good players with opinions that AI is better than it was in Shogun 2.

Considering Rome Battle AI vs Shogun I have 2 main questions :
- Does AI still do nothing about rain of arrows (especially during sieges) ?
- Does AI still tries to flank with cavalry and run into spears if there is no way to bypass them?

Considering overall AI does the legendary mod still means just huge cheating on the AI side?

Because of the place I live I can buy vanilla for about ~13$ (I guess mostly because of intel ;) ), but unfortunetaly DLC's are in same price. Are they worth it?
Last edited by Cron; Mar 2, 2014 @ 7:33am
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Guvenoren Mar 2, 2014 @ 8:51am 
Dont buy thinks for Creative assembly. They have ruined Rome 2 and it shall stay ruined. It was made for fast cash obviously.
Cron Mar 2, 2014 @ 9:23am 
Ok I have read couple of topics and "morale" bug and AI 'attacking' by standing in one place tells me big NOPE. I'm gonna wait for next patch.
Still it would be cool to see answers to these 3 specific questions I made in previous post.
AI still holds in the face of arrows, by and large.

AI flanking behaviour, at least in open battle is different and vastly better.
=(e)=Rangerswat2 Mar 2, 2014 @ 11:04am 
I would not recommend it, it's not worth it unless it's on sale like 50% or 75% off. Game still feels lackluster and boring, there's no much to do every turn and it does have not that "epic" feel as previous TW games.
You're Trash Mar 2, 2014 @ 11:36am 
I would recommend waiting until a few more patches
Vargas78 Mar 2, 2014 @ 12:59pm 
Battlefield and campaign a.i. is similar to Shogun 2's now, which is a good thing in my books. It used to be inferior to Shogun 2's a.i.

The siege a.i. still has a lot to be desired, theres been some slight improvement to it, but not a lot. Naval a.i. is decent.
Last edited by Vargas78; Mar 2, 2014 @ 1:00pm
Cron Mar 2, 2014 @ 1:45pm 
Originally posted by Vargas78:
Naval a.i. is decent.

Good you have mentioned it, most of naval fights I have been autoresolving as they were sluggish and boarding was a total mess (sometimes it took 5 minuts for one ship to board because it was circling all the time).
Are the naval fights interesting to play now?
Vargas78 Mar 3, 2014 @ 3:13am 
To be honest i find it tricky to board enemy ships so tend to resort to ram attacks or shooting from a distance, preferably with fire. But i do find the enemy a.i. ships maneuover well, they seem know what they're doing and it's a challenge to beat them whilst keeping your own losses to a minimum.
Jonboy Mar 3, 2014 @ 5:25am 
From an AI standpoint, Im impressed with R2. The graphics are great also. The only downside is the features are a little light when compared to previous TW's. However, the mods shop is a big plus and that has helped me enjoy the game more.

All in all , its well worth a purchase.
Ø76923 Mar 3, 2014 @ 8:05am 
When it goes on sale, it's definitely worth it.
Bendak Mar 3, 2014 @ 8:14am 
Battle AI still breaks irregularly. My favorite was when the AI attacked a settlement, destroyed my army, then the AI broke and I had a single unit left hiding so I won.
The AI is no better than Shogun 2. If anything it's worse overall.

To be specific:

The Battle AI is slightly below Shogun 2. It's not as aggressive and won't use the terrain as effectively. Also, in settlement battles (no walls) the flags make the AI scores worse because they get confused by priorities. Think Shogun 2 siege battles (where they just take arrows to the face) but instead in an open city environment. They will let you pelt them from range, or run out 1 unit at a time to attack you, until you either run out of ammo or they run out of men. Other times you can distract them and sneak a single unit around to capture the flag, to which they will be pre-occupied and not respond. This means you win the battle and can do with them what you will. An army destroyed by a flipped flag.

The Naval AI and Navy Combat is just terrible on it's face. I can't even begin to see how one would consider it better than Shogun 2 in any way. The introduction of ramming is warranted given the period, but it just causes problems with AI pathing. In general, boats behave sluggishly and will become unresponsive when in close proximity to other ships, to the point that you have to babysit individual boats to make sure they go where you want them. Auto resolve starts looking quite attractive after a time. The naval maps are also ridiculously small in comparison to Shogun 2, which probably contributes to AI formation problems when they start off in a corner with a large force, given they will run into you before they fan out.

The Siege AI is the worst it's ever been, to the point that it makes Empire look good. The only things they've managed to get working are torches and rams. Everything else is unfinished and doesn't operate as it should. Ladders and Towers, for example, will not allow the AI to path over the wall (using said ladder/tower) after the first unit has disembarked. This means if you push back the AI that disembarked on the wall, they will not attempt another attack via the walls because they can't understand how to use them as a path. They will instead all focus on the gate, with ram or torch, or siege artillery if you are so lucky, then funnel through that single opening to their deaths.

As for your questions,

- Does AI still do nothing about rain of arrows (especially during sieges) ?

The AI still does nothing, particularly during sieges.

- Does AI still tries to flank with cavalry and run into spears if there is no way to bypass them?

This has always been a problem in TW games, to varying degrees. R2 is no different.
Last edited by AnneFrankWarriorPrincess; Mar 3, 2014 @ 10:47am
Bendak Mar 3, 2014 @ 10:57am 
Gotta disagree with HexeR. The game's still mostly trash (I really want to like it, though). Wait another few months, then buy it over the summer sale for cheap.
Swesal Mar 3, 2014 @ 11:13am 
Comparing the A.I of Shogun2, and Rome2 is like a cripple fight. Shogun2 is perhaps the easiest TW game to date, mostly because the A.I. was so predictable on the campaign map, what with the one narrow route, perfect for ambushing from one city to the next. Winning on legendary consisted of hiding an army in the forest in the direction of the city you plan to take next with another army in the closest friendly city, and waiting for the enemy to walk into an ambush, double teaming the ambushed army, and taking the empty city the next turn. The A.I. will without question fall for the same tactic non-stop.
osheamat Mar 3, 2014 @ 11:14am 
This should be called Rome 2, total agents.
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