Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

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SavageSavant Aug 11, 2018 @ 8:07pm
I'm not buying Rise of Republic
I've bought nearly every game & DLC that CA has produced for TW.
But, There are way too many women in the game now. It looks plain silly.

Yes, I know ambitious woman made their mark throughout history.
But, they weren't as prevalent as the game suggest.

Empire Divided Spams women as if all ancient nations were ruled via matriarchy.

Call me what you will, I could care less! Ima keep my $$ this time.
Last edited by SavageSavant; Aug 12, 2018 @ 3:09am
Originally posted by CA Ella:
Originally posted by Aaron O'Regan:
Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:
Also ella will lock this thread when she sees for being 'sexist'
That thread was not locked but he did get banned.
SavageSavant actually got banned for his actions in another thread (along with a couple of others), but having looked over this thread I'm confident in that decision. This thread isn't quite as much of a garbage fire as that one but it's not far off.

Firstly, I'll say it again: Total War games are historically authentic, not historically accurate - if having female units upsets you that much you can either mod them out or just not play. People saying they won't buy the game because there are too many women in it is fine with us - if that's their reason, we'd rather they didn't anyway.

Reasonable, civil discussions don't get locked. Discussions that spiral into personal attacks and prominently feature words like "cuck", "SJW", "feminazi", and any directions are locked for a reason.

Just be nice to each other, guys. That's all.
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Hannibal Barca Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:03pm 
Originally posted by mdublu1989:
Agreed. I don't remember any women in History. ESPECIALLY Roman.
You haven't read much history. You've never heard of Emperess Theodora , you think CA invented her for Attila. Just wow! childern these days. I swear.
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Potato Soup Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:08pm 
From what i've seen i only see female leaders in factions that are not Roman, Greek, And Middle Eastern. From the female leaders i've seen have only been in Celtic, Germanic, Some african, and nomadic tribes. It makes sense for females to be in those factions. I'm okay with females as long as they are in factions where Females have indeed been able to lead armies historically.
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SamOFire Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:10pm 
Women ran the ancient world, whether by default or directly, as has been the case down through the ages. Good to see that it's being given "a tip of the hat" in TW.
Potato Soup Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:11pm 
Originally posted by SamOFire:
Women ran the ancient world, whether by default or directly, as has been the case down through the ages. Good to see that it's being given "a tip of the hat" in TW.
Not in all societies but some. Greece, Rome and the middle east where lead by men.
Last edited by Potato Soup; Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:11pm
ZWarrior Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:24pm 
remember boys when a coward Emperor was ready to flee his wife Theordora had more balls then him.
SamOFire Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:28pm 
Aaron O'Regan, true...I meant by proxy. You're right, though.
Portwills Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:38pm 
Well idk if celtic societies were run by women either... Or even Ilyrian tribes. I'm no historian but I doubt it. There was bouddica leading a rebellion at some point from what I know, and that famous woman that lead Ilyrian pirates at some point. But is that it?
Potato Soup Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:38pm 
Originally posted by SamOFire:
Aaron O'Regan, true...I meant by proxy. You're right, though.
Well i guess in Rome women did have a role in poltics. They didn't lead armies or fight wars but their role in swaying the minds in men was effective. It may have been the same in greece and the middle east as well. In reality we both may be right.
Potato Soup Aug 11, 2018 @ 10:40pm 
Originally posted by Portwills:
Well idk if celtic societies were run by women either... Or even Ilyrian tribes. I'm no historian but I doubt it. There was bouddica leading a rebellion at some point from what I know, and that famous woman that lead Ilyrian pirates at some point. But is that it?
I doubt bouddica was the only one. In reality in celtic/ germanic tribes things were ruled by men mostly. On rare times women would have to step in.
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Alwyn Aug 12, 2018 @ 12:24am 
Originally posted by Portwills:
Well idk if celtic societies were run by women either... Or even Ilyrian tribes. I'm no historian but I doubt it. There was bouddica leading a rebellion at some point from what I know, and that famous woman that lead Ilyrian pirates at some point. But is that it?
Peter Beresford Ellis is a historian. In his 2003 book 'A Brief History of the Celts', he wrote that Boudicca and Teuta weren't the only Celtic queens, others included Cartimandua of the Brigantes and Medb of Connaught.

Women did lead and did command armies in some ancient socieities. The game became more historical, not less, when it included women leaders and generals in societies which historically had them. The game recognises that women didn't (formally) lead or command armies in some societies (Rome, Carthage, Greek factions generally) by giving their women characters the 'family duty' trait which means that they cannot lead a party or become a general. If the developers were engaging in a conspiracy to revise history, I doubt that they would have done that.

I like the way that women leaders who historically existed are included, such as the ones listed in the Desert Kingdoms patch notes:

Historical Queen Campaign Faction
Berenice III ROME II Grand Campaign Ptolemaic Egypt
Cleopatra II ROME II Grand Campaign Ptolemaic Egypt
Berenice IV ROME II Grand Campaign Ptolemaic Egypt
Cleopatra Thea ROME II Grand Campaign Seleucids
Berenice Phernophorus ROME II Grand Campaign Seleucids
Olympias II ROME II Grand Campaign Epirus
Laodice ROME II Grand Campaign Pontus
Laodice IV ROME II Grand Campaign Pontus
Erato Imperator Augustus Armenia
Musa Imperator Augustus Parthia
Amanitore ROME II Grand Campaign Kush
Shanakhdakheto ROME II Grand Campaign Kush

If anything, this list under-represents women leaders - Kush, for example, had several more Kandake (queens) in the the third phase of the Meroitic period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_of_Kush#Third_Phase).

As I understand it, there's a fairly small percentage of women characters emerging in the game's database files. Of course, with so many thousands of campaigns being played, there will be some campaigns in which the dice rolls keep producing women leaders and generals - just as there are some campaigns in which an enemy agent keeps assassinating our generals even though the success chance could be low in each attempt.
Last edited by Alwyn; Aug 12, 2018 @ 12:32am
Archaos the Mad Bro Aug 12, 2018 @ 12:36am 
I don't really care if its a women or a man, realistic or unrealistic. They all die the same.
Tortuga Aug 12, 2018 @ 1:57am 
Originally posted by dropbear:
guys its a dlc you dont have to buy it stop being of incels

Stop being incels because we like our historical games to be... well historical. Who would have thought.
SavageSavant Aug 12, 2018 @ 2:14am 
Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:
Also ella will lock this thread when she sees for being 'sexist'

lol

I consider that a badge of honor.
SavageSavant Aug 12, 2018 @ 2:16am 
Originally posted by Ender0656:
Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:
It's a progressive annoyance, but I don't think it is boycott-worthy. Just ignore and enjoy the game. Yes it's unrealistic but it's a feature now
This is pretty much the fairest take on it Ive seen. Yes its goofy, yes its hamfisted progressive ideology, yes its unrealistic, but its still Rome. Its still fun.


Perhaps you're right. I'm flexible.

But, after seeing how bad Empire Divided spams the wamen ....I'm certainly apprehensive.
SavageSavant Aug 12, 2018 @ 2:23am 
Originally posted by ZWxGunslinger:
remember boys when a coward Emperor was ready to flee his wife Theordora had more balls then him.


That may have been propaganda, meant to endear the people to Theodora.

Most Greeks viewed her as a "promiscuous, gold-digging harlet" who tainted the royal court!

Then again, she was ambitious & likely didn't want to lose her pampered, powerful lifestyle.

She def seemed to wear the pants. lol .....She would've fit right in with today's Feminazi mob!
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