The Legend of Heroes: Trails through Daybreak

The Legend of Heroes: Trails through Daybreak

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carl 2024 年 7 月 29 日 下午 4:12
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so how bad is the wokeness ?
Is it Alan Wake 2 Sweet baby Inc. bad or just some small parts of the game got bastardized ?
Imagine playing through all games and to find that the game company i thought its not affected by Sweet Baby Inc. is getting into LGBTQ+ stuff .... WTH happened to Falcom ?
最后由 carl 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 29 日 下午 4:14
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Book 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 5:37 
India has been a world superpower, it just wasn't called India at the time.
Lol.
Noir 2024 年 9 月 30 日 上午 6:26 
引用自 Bookworm
India has been a world superpower, it just wasn't called India at the time.
Lol.

you realize countries have changed names and borders throughout history, yes?
thateclipse 2024 年 9 月 30 日 下午 2:54 
I'd rather see a deep dive into world history and how it relates to Trails countries than whatever OP wanted to ask.
Book 2024 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:28 
引用自 thateclipse
I'd rather see a deep dive into world history and how it relates to Trails countries than whatever OP wanted to ask.
He asked a valid question, Daybreak is pretty woke. Regardless of whether you agree with its message or not, it really stands stands out compared to the previous games. Personally I'm not opposed to the message, I just felt it was a rather childish interpretation of the issue of immigration.
thateclipse 2024 年 9 月 30 日 下午 8:24 
引用自 Bookworm
引用自 thateclipse
I'd rather see a deep dive into world history and how it relates to Trails countries than whatever OP wanted to ask.
He asked a valid question, Daybreak is pretty woke. Regardless of whether you agree with its message or not, it really stands stands out compared to the previous games. Personally I'm not opposed to the message, I just felt it was a rather childish interpretation of the issue of immigration.

If someone has to ask if this game is "woke", then they're looking at the wrong series.
Book 2024 年 10 月 1 日 上午 12:03 
引用自 thateclipse
引用自 Bookworm
He asked a valid question, Daybreak is pretty woke. Regardless of whether you agree with its message or not, it really stands stands out compared to the previous games. Personally I'm not opposed to the message, I just felt it was a rather childish interpretation of the issue of immigration.

If someone has to ask if this game is "woke", then they're looking at the wrong series.
I disagree. Trails games have always had political themes, but Daybreak takes a very complicated subject and generalizes it greatly. The game effectively says that immigrants are always good and that anyone who doesn't support them is racist. I disagree with this message and think it does the subject a great disservice.
thateclipse 2024 年 10 月 1 日 上午 2:16 
引用自 Bookworm
引用自 thateclipse

If someone has to ask if this game is "woke", then they're looking at the wrong series.
I disagree. Trails games have always had political themes, but Daybreak takes a very complicated subject and generalizes it greatly. The game effectively says that immigrants are always good and that anyone who doesn't support them is racist. I disagree with this message and think it does the subject a great disservice.

We both read the exact same text, but your conclusion is wildly different from mine. How did that happen?
Book 2024 年 10 月 1 日 上午 4:54 
引用自 thateclipse
引用自 Bookworm
I disagree. Trails games have always had political themes, but Daybreak takes a very complicated subject and generalizes it greatly. The game effectively says that immigrants are always good and that anyone who doesn't support them is racist. I disagree with this message and think it does the subject a great disservice.

We both read the exact same text, but your conclusion is wildly different from mine. How did that happen?
What do you disagree with? Do you believe the game didn't have a pro-immigrant message?
thateclipse 2024 年 10 月 1 日 下午 9:07 
引用自 Bookworm
引用自 thateclipse

We both read the exact same text, but your conclusion is wildly different from mine. How did that happen?
What do you disagree with? Do you believe the game didn't have a pro-immigrant message?

There's a lot of space between pro-immigrant and this:

The game effectively says that immigrants are always good and that anyone who doesn't support them is racist.
Book 2024 年 10 月 1 日 下午 9:50 
引用自 thateclipse
引用自 Bookworm
What do you disagree with? Do you believe the game didn't have a pro-immigrant message?

There's a lot of space between pro-immigrant and this:

The game effectively says that immigrants are always good and that anyone who doesn't support them is racist.
Is there a single anti-immigrant character in Daybreak who isn't a terrorist? It's weird because the Heiyue are an immigrant crime organization with their own assassin squad and yet no one ever points out that maybe not all immigrants are good.
thateclipse 2024 年 10 月 2 日 上午 2:35 
引用自 Bookworm
引用自 thateclipse

There's a lot of space between pro-immigrant and this:
Is there a single anti-immigrant character in Daybreak who isn't a terrorist? It's weird because the Heiyue are an immigrant crime organization with their own assassin squad and yet no one ever points out that maybe not all immigrants are good.

You've brought up an interesting point. Can you reconcile how to be anti-immigrant without being a terrorist? Because if you can, you're doing a better job than the writers.
Book 2024 年 10 月 2 日 上午 4:43 
引用自 thateclipse
引用自 Bookworm
Is there a single anti-immigrant character in Daybreak who isn't a terrorist? It's weird because the Heiyue are an immigrant crime organization with their own assassin squad and yet no one ever points out that maybe not all immigrants are good.

You've brought up an interesting point. Can you reconcile how to be anti-immigrant without being a terrorist? Because if you can, you're doing a better job than the writers.
Some people want to limit the amount of people their country allows in, as too much immigration lowers wages and drives up housing. It doesn't necessarily mean you hate foreigners.
Jinzo 2024 年 10 月 2 日 下午 2:22 
引用自 Bookworm
引用自 thateclipse

You've brought up an interesting point. Can you reconcile how to be anti-immigrant without being a terrorist? Because if you can, you're doing a better job than the writers.
Some people want to limit the amount of people their country allows in, as too much immigration lowers wages and drives up housing. It doesn't necessarily mean you hate foreigners.

I would in fact say most people, if they actually held a real vote here in Europe mass immigration would be stopped quicker than you could get on reddit and scream racism,

Yet not a single one of us has ever been allowed a voice on these folks coming in, not once, all while quality of life (housing, social services, cost of living), community and culture is simply disintegrating before us, particularly in the urban areas as new arrivals segregate themselves living like they had never left Africa etc where French, German and English is barely spoken.

Its root cause is globalism and neoliberalism, supported from both the right and left wing of politics for different reasons. This system is not going to last forever either its simply a pyramid scheme based on sheer GDP growth fuelled by an increase in population, where we need more and more people just to make up for the folks that have already come and taken out of that system. A system which also doesn't benefit the common working man but the rich land owners, yes via the supply and demand in rent, wages etc.

Its also not an issue of "humanity" either, nobody questions themselves when they walk down the street and refuse to bring in a homeless fella do they, you might give him a bit of money to make yourself feel better but you aren't letting him sleep and eat at your house are you.

No of course not in reality you don't care about him at all, even if you felt pity you don't know his criminal background, space and resources aren't unlimited and family always comes first, pretty simple paradigm just apply that to a whole country, functionally it has almost nothing to do with race the resources of that country are generated first and foremost by and for the nation of people who reside within.
thateclipse 2024 年 10 月 2 日 下午 11:03 
引用自 Bookworm
引用自 thateclipse

You've brought up an interesting point. Can you reconcile how to be anti-immigrant without being a terrorist? Because if you can, you're doing a better job than the writers.
Some people want to limit the amount of people their country allows in, as too much immigration lowers wages and drives up housing. It doesn't necessarily mean you hate foreigners.

That doesn't describe how a character could be written as both anti-immigrant and not a terrorist. If you think Trails did a bad job of showing that, then I'm curious as how you'd improve on it.
Book 2024 年 10 月 2 日 下午 11:07 
引用自 thateclipse
引用自 Bookworm
Some people want to limit the amount of people their country allows in, as too much immigration lowers wages and drives up housing. It doesn't necessarily mean you hate foreigners.

That doesn't describe how a character could be written as both anti-immigrant and not a terrorist. If you think Trails did a bad job of showing that, then I'm curious as how you'd improve on it.
Have some of the anti-immigrant character not be terrorists. It's that easy.
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