Stuck on murder investigation

[loken]

I am stuck on the step of letting Lumir know, and ask Bard William. Cause I cant talk to william anymore as he ignored my first attempt, and I have nothing else to tell lumir and katherine, so I cant progress it in any way, anyone know a fix? Cant revert a save since its like 10 in game hours ago.

[Aasimar[GER]]

why do you ask here?
a google search should give you tons of hits for a questguide

[loken]

Originally posted by AasimarGER:

why do you ask here?
a google search should give you tons of hits for a questguide

not sure if you noticed but this is the kcd2 discussion forum. One place where you can ask about niche stuff, cause its clearly not a common problem.

[FruitBat Man]

Originally posted by ser amick varze:

Originally posted by AasimarGER:

why do you ask here?
a google search should give you tons of hits for a questguide

not sure if you noticed but this is the kcd2 discussion forum. One place where you can ask about niche stuff, cause its clearly not a common problem.

There should be 2 other places to go outside Kuttenburg to investigate the whereabouts of 2 missing women.

[Aasimar[GER]]

The Fifth Commandment is a side quest in Kingdom Come Deliverance 2. This walkthrough will guide you through all objectives of The Fifth Commandment side mission.

Starting Location: Kuttenberg Region > Kuttenberg City > Hangman’s Halter Tavern
Quest Giver: Katherine
Requirement: Complete Main Quest 16: Into the Underworld
Reward: 150 x Groschen, Kuttenberg Knight shield (for successfully finding the real murderer)
Quest Type: Side Quest
Quest Description: Katherine needs help with a murder investigation. She’s afraid her cover has been blown and someone has started killing her contacts.

Objectives:

Examine the body
Talk to the gravedigger about the body
Talk to Alice’s friend
Go and see Lumir
Discover something about Jarka’s background
Try to find out what happened to Stanya the alehouse maid
Learn more about Zdena the thief’s fate
Question William the minstrel
Inform Lumir about the investigation
Infiltrate the house (Optional)
Examine the young von Grolle’s room
Talk with Lumir
Stop the murderer!
Go to Katherine

Starting Location: The Fifth Commandment

To start this quest, speak with Katherine in the Hangman’s Halter Tavern after you have completed Main Quest 16: Into the Underworld.

Examine the body

Katherine wants your help finding out what happened with one of her contacts. You will need to head to the cemetery in the north of Kuttenberg to investigate the body.

Go through all the options to examine the body before continuing. At the end you have the option of thinking about whether she was killed because of Katherine or not, but the examination points to it not being because of Katherine.
Talk to the gravedigger about the body

You can then speak with the gravedigger, who may be in the cemetery or at his house depending on the time of day.

You’ll have to pass a speech check to get information out of him, with the two Persuasion checks being the easiest options.

Talk to Alice’s friend

Before leaving the area you’ll be told about a girl who was grieving over Alice. She should now be in the morgue with the body so you can speak with her before leaving.

Go and see Lumir

Fantishek will give you information about the series of murders and a man named Lumir, who was also investigating the murders. He should be found at a house nearby.

Lumir is hungover and won’t be useful to you right now. You can either come back later, or give him a Hair o’ the Dog potion to sober him up.

You’ll have to pass a skill check to convince him to help you further, the Presence and Knowledge options are easier.

After passing one of them, go through all the information he will give you to learn about the previous victims. Note that if you do this first it skips the objective to investigate the crime scene, as Lumir gives you far more information.
Discover something about Jarka’s background

You will have an objective back at the cemetery, where you can go and speak with Father Prokop.

Pushing Prokop for information will reveal that he took care of Jarka, and he names a suspect, though this doesn’t update any objectives further right now.
Try to find out what happened to Stanya the alehouse maid

Next, you can head to the Hole in the Wall tavern to ask about the next two victims. First, speak to Innkeeper Mole to gain information about Stanya.

You’ll need to pay him to get him to give info. He’ll ask for more money, and you can pay another 50 or pass a Persuasion check to get him to stop asking.

You’ll receive the name William again, and also the option to check the Charcoal Burners camp south of the city for a man named Barton. He sticks out compared to the others as he is bald.

If you pass a speech check with him, he’ll reveal that Stanya is hiding at the camp and you can go speak with her.

She’ll give a bunch of information, then you can push her to remember with a Persuasion check to get the most possible information. She will also say that she doesn’t think it was William, contradicting the other two.

Learn more about Zdena the thief’s fate

You can then ask Strnad about Zdena. You’ll need to fight him or pass a Compassion skill check to get him to talk.

He’ll reveal that Zdena was trying to sell her stolen items to a man at a mill located south of Bylany.

Find Pint who should be somewhere around the mill. Tell him you aren’t a friend of Strnad and he’ll give up all his information willingly.

He’ll also point out the location of a ford nearby, head there from the mill. When you arrive look into the water near the boulder where you can find the basket Pint mentioned and examine it.

Head up the hill as directed where you can find Zdena’s body and examine it. You’ll then obtain the signet ring she had kept.

Question William the minstrel

After being told about him by everyone, you’ll now have the chance to question William, who can be found at the Black Horse Tavern.

As typical you’ll have to pass a skill check to get him to talk to you, with the Intimidation one being the easier option.

After going through all the information, it’s pretty obvious that he also wasn’t the one to do it, so you can say you don’t think it was him and that you believe him.
Inform Lumir about the investigation

With all leads exhausted, you can go back and speak with Lumir to put the clues together along with Katherine. Make sure you choose all options related to von Grolle when they come up, and accuse them at the end.

Infiltrate the house (Optional)

You will now need to get inside the von Grolle house to search around.

If you want to do this by posing as a swordfighting teacher or a doctor, you can speak with Servant Thaddeus out front and pass some possible Easy skill checks to convince him of your reason for coming. If you have already completed the side quest Ars Dimicatoria, then the dialogue option will immediately pass as you say you were sent by Menhard.

If you go with this option, you will need to follow Hendl outside and speak with him to train him in swordfighting. You’ll have to beat him in a fight to get him to trust you as a trainer, then you can ask him some questions that don’t give you further information.

Examine the young von Grolle’s room

Once you have made your way into the house, go up to the second floor and into the room in front of you.

Inside this room, pick the lock on the chest beside the bed and loot the Trophies from victims item.

Talk with Lumir

With evidence obtained, go back and speak with Lumir and Katherine to think up a plan to catch Hendl.
Stop the murderer

After the scene, you will find out it was Hendl’s mother and Servant Thaddeus who were performing the murders. You’ll have to fight Thaddeus while the other two deal with the mother (if Thaddeus disappears he may have bugged out and is probably outside, he is marked with the objective).

Go to Katherine

Go speak with Katherine downstairs to question Mandelina about what happened. In the end, you can decide to deal with her immediately or send her to the bailiff. Afterward, you will go and see Lumir and discuss the events, completing the quest.

This finishes The Fifth Commandment side quest in Kingdom Come Deliverance 2.

[loken]

Originally posted by AasimarGER:

The Fifth Commandment is a side quest in Kingdom Come Deliverance 2. This walkthrough will guide you through all objectives of The Fifth Commandment side mission.

Starting Location: Kuttenberg Region > Kuttenberg City > Hangman’s Halter Tavern
Quest Giver: Katherine
Requirement: Complete Main Quest 16: Into the Underworld
Reward: 150 x Groschen, Kuttenberg Knight shield (for successfully finding the real murderer)
Quest Type: Side Quest
Quest Description: Katherine needs help with a murder investigation. She’s afraid her cover has been blown and someone has started killing her contacts.

Objectives:

Examine the body
Talk to the gravedigger about the body
Talk to Alice’s friend
Go and see Lumir
Discover something about Jarka’s background
Try to find out what happened to Stanya the alehouse maid
Learn more about Zdena the thief’s fate
Question William the minstrel
Inform Lumir about the investigation
Infiltrate the house (Optional)
Examine the young von Grolle’s room
Talk with Lumir
Stop the murderer!
Go to Katherine

Starting Location: The Fifth Commandment

To start this quest, speak with Katherine in the Hangman’s Halter Tavern after you have completed Main Quest 16: Into the Underworld.

Examine the body

Katherine wants your help finding out what happened with one of her contacts. You will need to head to the cemetery in the north of Kuttenberg to investigate the body.

Go through all the options to examine the body before continuing. At the end you have the option of thinking about whether she was killed because of Katherine or not, but the examination points to it not being because of Katherine.
Talk to the gravedigger about the body

You can then speak with the gravedigger, who may be in the cemetery or at his house depending on the time of day.

You’ll have to pass a speech check to get information out of him, with the two Persuasion checks being the easiest options.

Talk to Alice’s friend

Before leaving the area you’ll be told about a girl who was grieving over Alice. She should now be in the morgue with the body so you can speak with her before leaving.

Go and see Lumir

Fantishek will give you information about the series of murders and a man named Lumir, who was also investigating the murders. He should be found at a house nearby.

Lumir is hungover and won’t be useful to you right now. You can either come back later, or give him a Hair o’ the Dog potion to sober him up.

You’ll have to pass a skill check to convince him to help you further, the Presence and Knowledge options are easier.

After passing one of them, go through all the information he will give you to learn about the previous victims. Note that if you do this first it skips the objective to investigate the crime scene, as Lumir gives you far more information.
Discover something about Jarka’s background

You will have an objective back at the cemetery, where you can go and speak with Father Prokop.

Pushing Prokop for information will reveal that he took care of Jarka, and he names a suspect, though this doesn’t update any objectives further right now.
Try to find out what happened to Stanya the alehouse maid

Next, you can head to the Hole in the Wall tavern to ask about the next two victims. First, speak to Innkeeper Mole to gain information about Stanya.

You’ll need to pay him to get him to give info. He’ll ask for more money, and you can pay another 50 or pass a Persuasion check to get him to stop asking.

You’ll receive the name William again, and also the option to check the Charcoal Burners camp south of the city for a man named Barton. He sticks out compared to the others as he is bald.

If you pass a speech check with him, he’ll reveal that Stanya is hiding at the camp and you can go speak with her.

She’ll give a bunch of information, then you can push her to remember with a Persuasion check to get the most possible information. She will also say that she doesn’t think it was William, contradicting the other two.

Learn more about Zdena the thief’s fate

You can then ask Strnad about Zdena. You’ll need to fight him or pass a Compassion skill check to get him to talk.

He’ll reveal that Zdena was trying to sell her stolen items to a man at a mill located south of Bylany.

Find Pint who should be somewhere around the mill. Tell him you aren’t a friend of Strnad and he’ll give up all his information willingly.

He’ll also point out the location of a ford nearby, head there from the mill. When you arrive look into the water near the boulder where you can find the basket Pint mentioned and examine it.

Head up the hill as directed where you can find Zdena’s body and examine it. You’ll then obtain the signet ring she had kept.

Question William the minstrel

After being told about him by everyone, you’ll now have the chance to question William, who can be found at the Black Horse Tavern.

As typical you’ll have to pass a skill check to get him to talk to you, with the Intimidation one being the easier option.

After going through all the information, it’s pretty obvious that he also wasn’t the one to do it, so you can say you don’t think it was him and that you believe him.
Inform Lumir about the investigation

With all leads exhausted, you can go back and speak with Lumir to put the clues together along with Katherine. Make sure you choose all options related to von Grolle when they come up, and accuse them at the end.

Infiltrate the house (Optional)

You will now need to get inside the von Grolle house to search around.

If you want to do this by posing as a swordfighting teacher or a doctor, you can speak with Servant Thaddeus out front and pass some possible Easy skill checks to convince him of your reason for coming. If you have already completed the side quest Ars Dimicatoria, then the dialogue option will immediately pass as you say you were sent by Menhard.

If you go with this option, you will need to follow Hendl outside and speak with him to train him in swordfighting. You’ll have to beat him in a fight to get him to trust you as a trainer, then you can ask him some questions that don’t give you further information.

Examine the young von Grolle’s room

Once you have made your way into the house, go up to the second floor and into the room in front of you.

Inside this room, pick the lock on the chest beside the bed and loot the Trophies from victims item.

Talk with Lumir

With evidence obtained, go back and speak with Lumir and Katherine to think up a plan to catch Hendl.
Stop the murderer

After the scene, you will find out it was Hendl’s mother and Servant Thaddeus who were performing the murders. You’ll have to fight Thaddeus while the other two deal with the mother (if Thaddeus disappears he may have bugged out and is probably outside, he is marked with the objective).

Go to Katherine

Go speak with Katherine downstairs to question Mandelina about what happened. In the end, you can decide to deal with her immediately or send her to the bailiff. Afterward, you will go and see Lumir and discuss the events, completing the quest.

This finishes The Fifth Commandment side quest in Kingdom Come Deliverance 2.

broski thats what I have done lol. Im at the end of the quest after checking all the women and clues, but I cant question william, the last guy, because the option is not there, even tho he himself is marked. Its an issue, and not something I wonder with the actual questline. Read.

[loken]

Originally posted by FruitBat Man:

Originally posted by ser amick varze:

not sure if you noticed but this is the kcd2 discussion forum. One place where you can ask about niche stuff, cause its clearly not a common problem.

There should be 2 other places to go outside Kuttenburg to investigate the whereabouts of 2 missing women.

Already done that part. Last step is to talk with kathrine and lumir about what I found out and who the killed it. I cant progress it because I cant question the last guy, and there are no prompts when approaching him, and no other voicelines when you meet up with kathrine and lumir together.