a little improvment

[Clapie Fr]

Hello, as one of your many players being impacted by the freezing of the game due to autosaves, could you (I will not ask to resolve the bug since in more than a year it still has not been done and I think it will never be solved) add a shortcut key to immediately save your game in an independent slot when the screen freezes? Like F5. So as soon as the game freezes, a simple press and wherever you are, on a world, in space, on the research page, automatically a new save is created.

I ask because for my part, with autosave activated, I have a crash approximately every 2-3 autosaves.

And to the usual detractors who will be quick to tell me that my drivers are not up to date, move on, everything is up to date, everything works fine in any other game, apart from DSP. And this has been since I bought the game over a year ago. Whether the game is modded or vanilla. This autosave bug persists and signs. If I release the autosave and the game crashes for any other reason, which also happens, then I'm wasting time to restart the game several times per hour.

Thanks in advance.

[robfilrhijar]

Never had it crash in nearly 3k hours, not sure if it makes a difference but it is installed on an m.2drive.

[dhitch89]

Never encountered any freezing due to autosaving since I started playing, but I do have to say that the devs won't be able to see this post.

^China forbids reading Steam discussion boards, due to their censorship laws. To ask them, you'd have to go onto the DSP Discord.

[josmith7]

I've had it freeze briefly when the save file gets huge, and the fps/ups is already low. In that state It just can't seem to save over a gig of data without causing a brief pause -- but I've never had that cause instability.

(OTOH, if file saves do cause game crashes on some PC I'm not sure the solution to request even more file saving. Seems like that'd just be asking for more crashes)

[Clapie Fr]

sigh -.-

Thanks for your answers guys :)

[starfish]

Have you tried to find the crash log? You can find unity log file in %appdata%\..\LocalLow\Youthcat Studio\Dyson Sphere Program\output_log.txt

There are some mods to optimize the save:
- CompressSave: compress the save with LZ4 or ZSTD to reduce file size and IO time.
- BulletTime: autosave in background thread so the game won't freeze (toggle in stats performance test panel). Provide customizable shortcut (Shift + F10) to trigger autosave.

[Clapie Fr]

i got compress save but it didn't help much, apart from reducing file size. thanks anyway :)

[cswiger]

You didn't mention that you were using mods. Does vanilla crash?

[Clapie Fr]

Vanilla freeze too. In addition the game without autosave function freezes every hour with luck. It's a bit of a pain, and has been since I got it a year or so ago, so no update so far has managed to resolve this problem. Having already had corrupted saves, that's why I suggested having a button to force a save in a new location when a freeze occurred. But hey, I think I'm going to wait until the game comes out of early access to get back into it, because over my 35 hours and some of playing in the last few days, I relaunched the game not far from a hundred times minimum.

[robfilrhijar]

Its a long shot but if you have an nvidia gpu try to reset the nvidia control panel to default, as sometimes playing with that can alter a lot of stuff

[Clapie Fr]

I will try it 😉

[GThoro]

Isn't "freeze" during autosave due to game pausing for the save to occur? It has to collect and serialize all data and it has to be in sync, hence the pause. Factorio is the same, except if you are on Linux as it has option for non-blocking saves due to ability to clone game process and save it's game state.

Peek in the logs to see what's going on, otherwise you might yell at the clouds, especially if you are using mods.

[Clapie Fr]

Let's replace the term "freeze" which seems to chill many people with the reality behind this word.

When the autosave is triggered, technically given my config, I don't notice any freeze, I just see that the autosave is triggered, done and finished, nothing more. But relatively often, when it triggers, suddenly the screen remains frozen with the game continuing in the background. If for example I press the keyboard shortcut for the research tree, the game goes into it, the music becomes muffled, so I know I'm there, if I escape, then it comes back to the game, but the the display remains completely frozen as it has been since the beginning. Fortunately, the developers who are quite clever, we ensure that IF you come back to Windows at any point in the game and you close it by right-clicking in the taskbar on your game to quit it, THEN The game automatically saves your game in the current location. BUT, if when your screen freezes during an autosave, you have the misfortune of clicking anywhere to do anything, there is a chance that suddenly it is Windows which detects that your game is completely frozen and nothing happens, then you are asked to wait for a miracle or leave it. There unfortunately, even asking him to wait nothing is resolved, whatever the number of hours you wait. You therefore no longer have the possibility of properly exiting the game and must do so via the Windows prompt or the task manager. And there, no backup made. So you lose X minutes of play.

Now let's say that like me you come to deactivate automatic saves because a freeze every eight minutes, you find it a bit annoying over time, so you play without it. The problem of freezing during auto saves is a thing of the past, so you already have that less. But it still happens that the game freezes in exactly the same way at other times. Sometimes it can be after having placed a BP of a few thousand buildings, other times just by opening a chest, and then if you have the misfortune to click on the game while it is frozen, same problem as a a little higher.

For my part, the problem of corrupted saves happened outside of autosave freezes, and if you deactivate your automatic saves, it is in your interest to make backups often just in case. I do it every time I place big BPs, or when I tinker with a lot of stations or spheres, so as not to stupidly lose everything, I therefore save my game straight away.

Hence the usefulness of a keyboard shortcut that automatically creates a clean backup in a new location. So at regular intervals, by pressing a simple button, I will take a weight off my shoulders xD

[cswiger]

Imagine reinventing the wheel. Imagine creating a square wheel, and being mad that it has four bumps per turn. Imagine being almost really smart and asking for a triangular wheel because it would only have three bumps instead.

This brings us to the notion of disabling autosaves and replacing them with really frequent manual saves. Instead, you should figure out what's wrong and fix it so that autosaves work correctly, just like they do for everybody else. (Having saves get corrupted or the game hang is not normal.)

[Clapie Fr]

Thank you for your response as complete as possible.

Shall I specify that I am also in computer maintenance? No, I don't think I need to specify that since it has nothing to do with my problem and it's my private life. To have taken a complete tour of my drivers, whether it be the bios, the motherboard, the hard drives (external/internal), the graphics card, the cpu, wifi, bluetooth, keyboards/mouse. Have checked the antivirus, the firewall, Windows updates as well as the geforce experience. That I went to see if my dxdiag wasn't messing up at full speed and that it would be a problem with dx11 or 12... I still haven't found anything.

So yes, the problem certainly comes from me, it's not as if other users encountered exactly the same problem (a little search in the area will certainly shed light on what I'm saying). And since the problem is such that it strongly and lastingly impacts my gaming experience, it is therefore totally unlikely that it will impact any other. After all, if the graphics card was defective, which could lead to this kind of problem, shouldn't I then have this same kind of problem in other games? Namely a screen that freezes while the game continues well. It is true that on my tiny library, I could have missed something.

My response seems to mock your comments, and that is slightly intentional. I feel somewhat bitter about not being able to play a good game properly because of recurring bugs that still haven't disappeared after a year of updating. This is not what will make me abandon the game. Because after having managed to crash the vanilla in a masterful way, and telling myself that well, lost for lost I might as well mod the game to see if it changes anything, well no , it's constant.

Finally, when someone tells you that they have tested their drivers, I agree with you, it may not be true, but it could also be. For my part I think I have done the maximum, and unless I risk myself in beta drivers, which you will agree is a monumental stupidity and create thousands of unwanted problems on the systems, I think I will wait some more before fully to be able to enjoy the game. Because it doesn't matter, I'm patient. In a year's time things will perhaps have changed.

In any case, thank you for taking the time to respond, even if in the end it was simply to tell me to go and deal with an unfit repairman who won't do any better than me while taking a month's salary from me after having worked on my computer for three weeks. All I wanted was for the devs to think about adding a keyboard shortcut to make a clean save in a new location. I was not asking for a modded solution, even if one was offered to me here, but a solution integrated into the game so as not to overload a not particularly stable game with an additional mod.

[cswiger]

If you knew what you were doing, you'd either solve the problem yourself or you would be providing meaningful bug reports to the developers. (After trying to reproduce your issues on different hardware to rule out your rig as the most likely cause.)

Instead, you are requesting a change to this game on a forum that the developers can't read.