They really should had stick to sequel until NIOH3

[Rock N Roll 91]

MAKING RONIN WAS HUGE DUMB CHOICE.

WHICH BY PROOF THAT THEY CAN NOT REVEAL SALES RECORD ONLY BLUFFING

BY CLAIMING ESTIMATED SALES RECORD ALREADY SURPASSED NIOH SERIES.

(TOTAL BULL S.....H.....I......T)

Miyazaki stuck with 3rd series of soul game and can even say forth since elden ring pretty much is dark soul 4.

can't believe how dumb team ninja is and i can not even pity them since i am so upset as

big fan of this nioh2

[Senki]

haven't played ronin yet but wo long was nice

I think companies only doing the same thing for too long is a bad thing, I like to see them try things

[DucGrandma]

And what will happen when your long awaited Nioh 3 is not as you expected? And maybe you don't know, Nioh 2 sold 2mil units by April 2021, which can be considered commercial failure if you count the development cost, required time to recover costs and profit of its predecessor Nioh 1. You have to face the music, in the eyes of investors and BoD, Nioh 3 is a Dragon Dogma situation: an afterthought that they may or may not (mostly not) greenlit.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by Senki:

haven't played ronin yet but wo long was nice

I think companies only doing the same thing for too long is a bad thing, I like to see them try things

I'm happy that you enjoyed wolong. I couldn't bring myself to finish it. To me it was a streamlined version of nioh.

Originally posted by DucGrandma:

And what will happen when your long awaited Nioh 3 is not as you expected? And maybe you don't know, Nioh 2 sold 2mil units by April 2021, which can be considered commercial failure if you count the development cost, required time to recover costs and profit of its predecessor Nioh 1. You have to face the music, in the eyes of investors and BoD, Nioh 3 is a Dragon Dogma situation: an afterthought that they may or may not (mostly not) greenlit.

My brother invited me over to play games. I had no clue he put in nioh 2 when I took over the controller. I was dumbfounded when he told me it's the sequel. Evoked the same disappointment I felt when I started dark souls 3 and noticed they just made a poor bloodborne copy.

Rise of the ronin is the last chance I'm willing to give them before I ignore them just like fromsoft.

[SlimShanks]

Originally posted by Yhorm:

My brother invited me over to play games. I had no clue he put in nioh 2 when I took over the controller. I was dumbfounded when he told me it's the sequel. Evoked the same disappointment I felt when I started dark souls 3 and noticed they just made a poor bloodborne copy.

Rise of the ronin is the last chance I'm willing to give them before I ignore them just like fromsoft.

That is some ADVANCED jadedness. I mean, if you didn't have fun with those game, fair enough. But Nioh 2 and Dark Souls 3 are both generally considered excellent sequels. I cannot fathom being disappointed with either of those titles. You might just be burned out on souls-likes.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by SlimShanks:

Originally posted by Yhorm:

My brother invited me over to play games. I had no clue he put in nioh 2 when I took over the controller. I was dumbfounded when he told me it's the sequel. Evoked the same disappointment I felt when I started dark souls 3 and noticed they just made a poor bloodborne copy.

Rise of the ronin is the last chance I'm willing to give them before I ignore them just like fromsoft.

That is some ADVANCED jadedness. I mean, if you didn't have fun with those game, fair enough. But Nioh 2 and Dark Souls 3 are both generally considered excellent sequels. I cannot fathom being disappointed with either of those titles. You might just be burned out on souls-likes.

It's telling if you refuse to address my claims and instead pull out your armchair therapist opinion to drown me out.

What other people consider and what publications without integrity tell is of no concern to me.

Excellent sequels should make the predecessor obsolete. None of the games I mentioned did that.

But anyways you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to seeing the truth as it is without embellishing it.

[level3]

Im glad they didn't make nioh3 with halfcooked ideas like they did in wo long or ronin. They should take their time to dethrone nioh2 with the best game ever made. They also should rethink their level and map design.

[SlimShanks]

Ay yo Yhorm, I literally stated that I think your opinion is valid. No need to get defensive. I would love to know what you DO think is a successful sequel. Give me some names.
Back to the original point though, I think this is a case of chasing market share. Nioh is obviously better than Wo Long. But Wo Long has waaaay broader appeal. Sales are valued more than making a great game. It's the same thing that kills almost all major game studios.
Wo Long is good, too, but clearly a step backwards from Nioh 2.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by SlimShanks:

Ay yo Yhorm, I literally stated that I think your opinion is valid. No need to get defensive. I would love to know what you DO think is a successful sequel. Give me some names.
Back to the original point though, I think this is a case of chasing market share. Nioh is obviously better than Wo Long. But Wo Long has waaaay broader appeal. Sales are valued more than making a great game. It's the same thing that kills almost all major game studios.
Wo Long is good, too, but clearly a step backwards from Nioh 2.

Mb it's steam and most people are not necessarily polite.
Ori and the will of the wisp
Ds1
Battlefront 2 (old school)
Pillars of eternity 2
Dmc3
Divinity original sin 2
I intentionally led out bg3 because I still have fun with divinity 2 and if by some miracle I bored out of it in the future I'll get bg3.

[Alpo]

Originally posted by Rock N Roll 91:

MAKING RONIN WAS HUGE DUMB CHOICE.

WHICH BY PROOF THAT THEY CAN NOT REVEAL SALES RECORD ONLY BLUFFING

BY CLAIMING ESTIMATED SALES RECORD ALREADY SURPASSED NIOH SERIES.

(TOTAL BULL S.....H.....I......T)

Miyazaki stuck with 3rd series of soul game and can even say forth since elden ring pretty much is dark soul 4.

can't believe how dumb team ninja is and i can not even pity them since i am so upset as

big fan of this nioh2

I've followed some course on gamification, and these guys (in the business side) are truly into some "theories" (I won't say it since it'll trigger some people and basically we don't care), saying that such and such will increase revenue, and so on. There theories can be true, but you'll always find a counter-example.

Now you have to wait for these guys to be fired/relocated in face of the poor sales. But it may never happen. On the internet, you can find the financial report of koei tecmo, and you can see that Wo long is a success, and Rise of the ronin is reported as "Sales start that goes beyond the “Nioh” series(“Nioh” and “Nioh2”)". Maybe in the long run, it'll fail. But AAA projects are already launched based on that.

Their growth strategy is "- Challenging growth genres (open world) ". Hence, the nioh formula is dead. No hope for that. But Wukong could have been an eye opener. Who knows? Doubt about it because of the inertia in AAA games (Team ninja and omega-force are the internal studios working on AAA according to the report).

Their global strategy is "Maintain and improve the numbers of title launch per year, scale of each title and development term by expanding development capacity". So it's pure business and analytics. It's not like "nioh 2 was the GOAT of the GOAT, we need another nioh". It's more like "Rise of the ronin" was even better....hence, nioh formula is not optimal, forget about it.

[Oninomiru]

I appreciate that they are trying to stretch their creative legs a little bit in a sense that they make different games. On the other hand, they keep making the same game 3 times in a row and it somehow gets only worse with each version.

SoP was the most varied parry game, Wo Long was watered down, Ronin is watered down even more. I mean I get it, they want mainstream success, but that lies not in simple combat, but in better tutorials and onboarding. And better graphics help, which is currently a pain point for Team Ninja.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by Oninomiru:

I appreciate that they are trying to stretch their creative legs a little bit in a sense that they make different games. On the other hand, they keep making the same game 3 times in a row and it somehow gets only worse with each version.

SoP was the most varied parry game, Wo Long was watered down, Ronin is watered down even more. I mean I get it, they want mainstream success, but that lies not in simple combat, but in better tutorials and onboarding. And better graphics help, which is currently a pain point for Team Ninja.

I agree and it makes me sad that that ronin is another streamlined game. It's what it is.

[SlimShanks]

Originally posted by Yhorm:

Mb it's steam and most people are not necessarily polite.
Ori and the will of the wisp
Ds1
Battlefront 2 (old school)
Pillars of eternity 2
Dmc3
Divinity original sin 2
I intentionally led out bg3 because I still have fun with divinity 2 and if by some miracle I bored out of it in the future I'll get bg3.

You're not wrong. No worries. Good list too.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by SlimShanks:

Originally posted by Yhorm:

Mb it's steam and most people are not necessarily polite.
Ori and the will of the wisp
Ds1
Battlefront 2 (old school)
Pillars of eternity 2
Dmc3
Divinity original sin 2
I intentionally led out bg3 because I still have fun with divinity 2 and if by some miracle I bored out of it in the future I'll get bg3.

You're not wrong. No worries. Good list too.

Appreciate it mate

[@Ixxmantisxxl]

Honestly, it was great. Ronin was. Having an Open World was much better than level loading and waiting on menus.

I want the action. I love the action so much it kills me to sit through all the menu-ing that is required. After a cumulative large amounts of hours, between PS4 Nioh -dlc 1 2 3, then PC nioh 1 complete, then Ps4 Nioh 2 then dlc 1 2 3 and then redoing it all again on PC, I'd rather just have a huge open world and a bunch of co-0p. lol