New EULA and "naive conspiracy theories"

[Adialeda]

I came across this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4-9oH_39E where the author pulls the covers off and says that there is nothing to be afraid of, that everything is fine. And people in the comments are ironic and laugh at the paranoid fears and conspiracy theories that have spread online.

I'll just leave my opinion here:

"And then suddenly everyone forgot about the incidents with being taken into custody for "inconvenient posts" on social networks. You make a mod that offends someone, someone... yeah, and your mod will be deleted, but that's nothing new, but... if they want, they'll send your data to the police, for example, and you, like those "lucky ones" with their tweets-posts on social networks, will be taken by the arms, comrade police, and you'll go sit in a cozy cell, suddenly realizing that "something is not funny anymore!".
It may not only be your mod, it may be a message in the chat.
Yes, Trump is in the US now, but if everything suddenly changes again, all your data, all your actions in the game... it will be funny to end up in a cell for some message in the chat, said several years ago... right? It's funny, right? Laugh!
Although, Randy would never allow such actions towards his players, he is a smart and adequate person, right? Although, wait.. no, he is a crazy aggressive sociopath! Good luck to all of you! Do not relax too much, and do not forget that your freedom, your destinies are given over to the disposal of infantile greedy sociopaths.. a little more power for their entertainment and growth of their ego.. at your expense. Have a nice day!"

Maybe someone will find this interesting.

Stay safe.

[Mimie☕]

*equip the tinfoil hat*

[Adialeda]

Originally posted by Rock_Goblin:

*equip the tinfoil hat*

It will probably be funny to remember this later in the detention cell, right? "But this is madness! But the probability is extremely small!" Yes, the probability is probably not so great, for a specific person.. will it make you feel better later from realizing this, if you are this specific "lucky one"?

And what is the funniest thing? There have already been precedents on social networks. Denial? A good thing, until you find yourself in a situation where you have to come to terms with reality.

[PocketYoda]

Why does it need my credit card info.. and why do they need to monitor everything i do on my pc?

"The type of information we collect depends on how you use the Services. Generally, we collect the following information:

Identifiers / Contact Information: Name, user name, gamertag, postal and email address, phone number, unique IDs, mobile device ID, platform ID, gaming service ID, advertising ID (IDFA, Android ID) and IP address

Protected Characteristics: Age and gender

Commercial Information: Purchase and usage history and preferences, including gameplay information

Billing Information: Payment information (credit / debit card information) and shipping address

Internet / Electronic Activity: Web / app browsing and gameplay information related to the Services; information about your online interaction(s) with the Services or our advertising; and details about the games and platforms you use and other information related to installed applications

Device and Usage Data: Device type, software and hardware details, language settings, browser type and version, operating system, and information about how users use and interact with the Services (e.g., content viewed, pages visited, clicks, scrolls)

Profile Inferences: Inferences made from your information and web activity to help create a personalized profile so we can identify goods and services that may be of interest

Audio / Visual Information: Account photos, images, and avatars, audio information via chat features and functionality, and gameplay recordings and video footage (such as when you participate in playtesting)

Sensitive Information: Precise location information (if you allow the Services to collect your location), account credentials (user name and password), and contents of communications via chat features and functionality.

"You will not use, promote, or make available any bug, glitch, exploit, cheat, “mod menu,” hack, script, bot, unauthorized mod, or other methods that interact with the Services resulting in a breach this Agreement."

This is pretty bad..

[Adialeda]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

The only thing missing is an open statement: "if you buy our game, then we get your ass at our complete disposal". Which is not far from the truth. And before, people joked about Blizzard getting your soul for buying their products. Well, what can I say... even if a soul existed, I 100% don't have it anymore, because I bought this game. But I feel somehow offended about my ass... I just don't really like this kind of "entertainment".

[Pocahuntress]

I think people are being naive if they think companies are not already collecting that data. Google tracks you even when you are using a VPN, with or without your permission. Companies like them go to extraordinary lengths to "get to know you".
The only thing you can do is just not participate.
The root cause is that so many people just don't understand or care about the consequences.
Personally, I hate it, because I think these companies are polarising people - they are only offering people what the company thinks they want, And it's impossible to stop the companies doing this, they are absolutely determined.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Adialeda:

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

The only thing missing is an open statement: "if you buy our game, then we get your ass at our complete disposal". Which is not far from the truth. And before, people joked about Blizzard getting your soul for buying their products. Well, what can I say... even if a soul existed, I 100% don't have it anymore, because I bought this game. But I feel somehow offended about my ass... I just don't really like this kind of "entertainment".

To be honest i'm not sure some of that is even legal here in Australia..

[Adialeda]

Originally posted by Pocahawtness:

I think people are being naive if they think companies are not already collecting that data. Google tracks you even when you are using a VPN, with or without your permission. Companies like them go to extraordinary lengths to "get to know you".
The only thing you can do is just not participate.
The root cause is that so many people just don't understand or care about the consequences.
Personally, I hate it, because I think these companies are polarising people - they are only offering people what the company thinks they want, And it's impossible to stop the companies doing this, they are absolutely determined.

Selling data for targeted advertising? I don't mind, on the other hand, if they sell my data, it would be nice to give me something for it, and not jack up the price to $130 for a battle pass. But I think this is not the worst thing (not the price, but the advertising. The price is scary. My empty wallet will not let me lie), but what companies can do with your data, especially if these companies want a little more than a piece of the DEI pie. Having your entire in-game history, all the logs, they can easily send this data to the authorities, like "here, in accordance with our agreement with you on DEI investments, we provide the police with data about a person." And then anything can happen. And we do not live in a time when such things would seem unbelievable, given that, in fact, they are already happening in one form or another.

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Originally posted by Adialeda:

The only thing missing is an open statement: "if you buy our game, then we get your ass at our complete disposal". Which is not far from the truth. And before, people joked about Blizzard getting your soul for buying their products. Well, what can I say... even if a soul existed, I 100% don't have it anymore, because I bought this game. But I feel somehow offended about my ass... I just don't really like this kind of "entertainment".

To be honest i'm not sure some of that is even legal here in Australia..

I don't think it's legal in any country. And if it goes to court, I think the company will lose it anyway. But if you remember how the state operates, when everyone in power strives to support "progressive social" trends, then the court can do whatever it wants, even if it looks "not very legal". Big money makes people spit on people's rights. And DEI, in particular, is too much money. And it seems like these trends are retreating, but it's not a fact that they won't return with renewed vigor very soon. And then they can really call people to account for any words they said in the past. And something like this has already happened ^^

[TheTool]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Why does it need my credit card info.. and why do they need to monitor everything i do on my pc?

"The type of information we collect depends on how you use the Services. Generally, we collect the following information:

Identifiers / Contact Information: Name, user name, gamertag, postal and email address, phone number, unique IDs, mobile device ID, platform ID, gaming service ID, advertising ID (IDFA, Android ID) and IP address

Protected Characteristics: Age and gender

Commercial Information: Purchase and usage history and preferences, including gameplay information

Billing Information: Payment information (credit / debit card information) and shipping address

Internet / Electronic Activity: Web / app browsing and gameplay information related to the Services; information about your online interaction(s) with the Services or our advertising; and details about the games and platforms you use and other information related to installed applications

Device and Usage Data: Device type, software and hardware details, language settings, browser type and version, operating system, and information about how users use and interact with the Services (e.g., content viewed, pages visited, clicks, scrolls)

Profile Inferences: Inferences made from your information and web activity to help create a personalized profile so we can identify goods and services that may be of interest

Audio / Visual Information: Account photos, images, and avatars, audio information via chat features and functionality, and gameplay recordings and video footage (such as when you participate in playtesting)

Sensitive Information: Precise location information (if you allow the Services to collect your location), account credentials (user name and password), and contents of communications via chat features and functionality.

"You will not use, promote, or make available any bug, glitch, exploit, cheat, “mod menu,” hack, script, bot, unauthorized mod, or other methods that interact with the Services resulting in a breach this Agreement."

This is pretty bad..

The New blood doesn't mind. They'll own nothing and like it.

[Ged]

Wait, so why would I be sent to jail for social media posts? That's not an illegal action.

Maybe in some lesser country, it is, but certainly not in the US.

[Adialeda]

Originally posted by Ged:

Wait, so why would I be sent to jail for social media posts? That's not an illegal action.

Maybe in some lesser country, it is, but certainly not in the US.

There have already been precedents. The same episode with Hillary Clinton, where the cops actually dragged the dude to prison for some ridiculous post that she considered "offensive." It was somewhere around 2017. Well, plus, even if we don't touch on the topic of imprisonment, then, like... the cancel culture can come back again (it's not that it has disappeared already), and it turns out that the corporation has all your real data and your logs of all your words and actions in the game. That is, they will have the opportunity, and where there is opportunity, desire and willingness, there will be those who want it. It is enough to look at how any person can now be canceled, their career destroyed, absolutely without any real evidence, without trial or investigation. Isn't it obvious?

//I'm writing through Google Translate, so sorry for the awkward spelling.

[Ged]

Originally posted by Adialeda:

There have already been precedents. The same episode with Hillary Clinton, where the cops actually dragged the dude to prison for some ridiculous post that she considered "offensive." It was somewhere around 2017. Well, plus, even if we don't touch on the topic of imprisonment, then, like... the cancel culture can come back again (it's not that it has disappeared already), and it turns out that the corporation has all your real data and your logs of all your words and actions in the game. That is, they will have the opportunity, and where there is opportunity, desire and willingness, there will be those who want it. It is enough to look at how any person can now be canceled, their career destroyed, absolutely without any real evidence, without trial or investigation. Isn't it obvious?

//I'm writing through Google Translate, so sorry for the awkward spelling.

Okay, I remember that story. The guy had posted a joke online praising Hillary, encouraging people to vote for Hillary via text, and the punchline was that obviously you can't vote via text, which should have been obvious to everyone. He was (jokingly) calling people to do an action, it wasn't simply him saying something offensive. Saying offensive things is completely legal.

But yes, the prosecutors in that case argued that he actually disenfranchised voters by doing that, which they never actually proved. I'm not sure whether or not it was a case decided by a judge or a jury. I'm not familiar with the ins and outs and if there were any missteps in the defense of that guy, but yes, i agree, total miscarriage of justice even if the example doesn't exactly match what you're saying.

I guess what I'm getting at is how is this relevant to Borderlands 4, and the allegations that they harvest data (not confirming or denying, I just don't know). I have said, and will continue to say things that are completely socially unacceptable, "cancelable", but I've never been or will be prosecuted for such beliefs.

Sure, I might get scolded by the weak minded, but I literally just don't care. I might get banned from Steam forums, or some other media platform, but I'm still allowed to say those things. Nobody can actually stop me from uttering certain phrases or words, it's not up to them. Its not up to Google, twitter, meta, politicians, steam mods, or any average citizen. I can say whatever I want, completely unfettered. and you can too

[GrandTickler]

Originally posted by Adialeda:

Although, Randy would never allow such actions towards his players, he is a smart and adequate person, right? Although, wait.. no, he is a crazy aggressive sociopath! Good luck to all of you! Do not relax too much, and do not forget that your freedom, your destinies are given over to the disposal of infantile greedy sociopaths...

The way you worded it sounds like you might just be the first to end up in a cell. Keep us updated on that lol

[LanToaster]

Originally posted by Adialeda:

I came across this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4-9oH_39E where the author pulls the covers off and says that there is nothing to be afraid of, that everything is fine. And people in the comments are ironic and laugh at the paranoid fears and conspiracy theories that have spread online.

Anyone who checked if BL2 did receive an actual Update would´ve known that.

HOWEVER, that blanket statement cannot be made for BL4, especially as they Implement their shiny new "Symbiote", software. There I´d rather wait for someone to take a look what exactly that does.

[Adialeda]

Originally posted by Ged:

Sure, I might get scolded by the weak minded, but I literally just don't care. I might get banned from Steam forums, or some other media platform, but I'm still allowed to say those things. Nobody can actually stop me from uttering certain phrases or words, it's not up to them. Its not up to Google, twitter, meta, politicians, steam mods, or any average citizen. I can say whatever I want, completely unfettered. and you can too

Yes, we can say whatever we want. Then, it's true, you can lose your job because of it, suddenly, if suddenly the words spoken become unacceptable, or just so that they can be dragged under "unacceptable". Yes, we can talk, but... that doesn't mean there are no reasons for concern.

Originally posted by GrandTickler:

Originally posted by Adialeda:

Although, Randy would never allow such actions towards his players, he is a smart and adequate person, right? Although, wait.. no, he is a crazy aggressive sociopath! Good luck to all of you! Do not relax too much, and do not forget that your freedom, your destinies are given over to the disposal of infantile greedy sociopaths...

The way you worded it sounds like you might just be the first to end up in a cell. Keep us updated on that lol

I don't think I'm in danger of anything other than being banned from the Steam forum. I live sooooo far away (in Siberia) and I'm transgender. Bullying me is "socially unfair", so all things considered, I'll be okay.

[PocketYoda]

Device and Usage Data: Device type, software and hardware details, language settings, browser type and version, operating system, and information about how users use and interact with the Services (e.g., content viewed, pages visited, clicks, scrolls)

This makes me think its a keylogger.