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drag Oct 10 @ 8:22am
Why this game has been released ?
So i would like to clarify, I'm not a hater of the franchise or the studio, I loved Dishonored, Dishonored 2, and I liked the spin off Death of the Outsider but :

- 80€ for the game + the OST / 60€ for the game. Can I talk to your marketing manager ? Firstly i've never seen a soundtrack being so expensive and wow 60 bucks for this game ? Is it ok for a developper to release this type of product and still sleep properly ?

- Crashes i've got : crahs on launch, currently i'm unable to play the game, literally and you know what, i've waited a bit and I was able, is this some kind of sorcery ? You've had a quick feedback with the beta "juliannashotme", well played yet I'm hoping that companies and indies will quickly stop doing this Early Access policy by throwing unfinished software to people, maybe one day you will lose those who loved your franchise. Another one ? Leaving an area. The game stops, cool.

- Denuvo, you're already aware of this. even before releasing the game you've known that It wasn't good.

- The Void Engine, no problem for Dishonored I, need to bypass the bugs for Dishonored II, nothing for the spin off, and now what can do ? Wait for you to make updates like this game is in Early access ? It's not, you don't deserve at all your reviews and you need to release the copy that works for the press to all of us because huh, we paid...

I know how difficult this industry can be stressfull and hatefull and of course the devs aren't the ones taking the decision to release it or not, but as everyone knows : "It just works".
No review needed when you can't barely play the game.
So now our options are to wait for you to make an update to make our experience a good one or to annihilate your studio by yourself ?
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VESPA5 Oct 10 @ 8:32am 
It doesn't matter if this game is a smash hit or a cult classic. What matters to Bethesda and Arkane are sales. Like Dishonored 2, despite the decent reviews, this game isn't exactly selling like hotcakes. So unless they turn things around saleswise, we could be seeing the last few games out of this studio before they go to another direction or fold.
drag Oct 10 @ 8:42am 
+1 but this type of marketing needs to stop we are losing so many potentials.
It does have its issues for sure. It's one thing to complain about the lack of games similar to this one in general and then being ultra nitpicky when stg in that area is getting released.
You have to make up your mind. In an ideal world you'd get both (technical excellence & niche gaming content). If it's not selling good enough the devs might not be able to develop similar games in the future. If the devs are moving on (due to lack of public interest) the same people will complain that there aren't those types of games anymore. It has happened before with old school 2d adventures. Just buy it at a key reseller for a reduced price if you're interested but can't afford it. They're already selling it for 45€. The rules are different with niche games. It's all about supporting the dev to enable them to make similar things in the future.

One of the bad examples was mass effect andromeda. The dev team got dismantled shortly after release and they didn't even release any dlc due to bad critics/mass complaints and the bad sales as a result. In the end it was a nice game and ran fine after some time/fixes.

The release date was probably defined by the ps5 release. It's running fine on it afaik. It might be similar to the cyberpunk release (just the other way around).

Most of the issues will get sorted out. It'll just take time.
Last edited by agent orange; Oct 10 @ 12:45pm
Hanz Oct 10 @ 12:43pm 
This game is great, but it's definitely not worth $60. And the soundtrack is not worth $20. Whoever chooses these prices needs to be reprimanded.
drag Oct 10 @ 12:55pm 
Not reprimanded but they need to say that the game is on early access at least so we can all see that bugs and fixes are upcoming and @agent orange i'm not sure you clearly get my point. I'm supporting the devs, i know the industry but, and i won't pretend it's normal for AAA games to come out with those type of problems, it is just not normal, ofc we know that Bethesda is putting a lot of pressure but you can have this pressure and still notice the community feedbacks. You say and i quote "In an ideal world you'd get both", I hope no one is thinking like that, but in this industry era we don't want to buy a game that is "high rated" by the press and having this kind of bugs/crashes, it is not normal, you're being crushed by this system and you are in fact defending it. I'm sorry to tell ya but you're on the wrong path, defending them will juste make them continue forever what they do currently.
drag Oct 10 @ 12:58pm 
I cannot say if it's worth 60 bucks but clearly the soundrack is not at all on the same level, we just want a game that is release in a normal way : as a dev or a group of : you deliver a product that has been polished or near what you imagine, ofc marketing guys will f up your expectation but at this stage the product is far from being kind with the community.
Originally posted by drag:
Not reprimanded but they need to say that the game is on early access at least so we can all see that bugs and fixes are upcoming and @agent orange i'm not sure you clearly get my point. I'm supporting the devs, i know the industry but, and i won't pretend it's normal for AAA games to come out with those type of problems, it is just not normal, ofc we know that Bethesda is putting a lot of pressure but you can have this pressure and still notice the community feedbacks. You say and i quote "In an ideal world you'd get both", I hope no one is thinking like that, but in this industry era we don't want to buy a game that is "high rated" by the press and having this kind of bugs/crashes, it is not normal, you're being crushed by this system and you are in fact defending it. I'm sorry to tell ya but you're on the wrong path, defending them will juste make them continue forever what they do currently.

I wasn't really referring to your response but to those threads in general. I'm just wondering how this is going to improve/solve things or what people are expecting the devs to do now.

I'd guess that the devs are pretty aware of those issues. I'd assume that the ps5 release date was fixed and they had to release the pc version as well as there would have been an outcry otherwise (if they had just released it on ps5). It's similar to cyberpunk. It's not ideal but we can't change it and have to somehow accept the situation. I can play it on my old hardware and it just crashes sometimes. It's running worse than expected, but it's still playable. I agree with the beta state, but you can't release it on ps5 as done and as a beta on pc at the same time.

Arkane is small compared to the big players. They're having a much harder time to prioritize under pressure. At some point you have to make tough decisions. I'd cut them some slack and accept the current state if they're making progress and sort those things out. It's not the first game with technical issues at launch. Most of the current situation is probably due to advertising/publishers/contracts/penalties having forced them to release it in its current state on pc.

I didn't read any reviews and do ignore them in general. Most of it is somehow paid advertising and they were mostly playing/reviewing on ps5 afaik. It's not important to me if it's a 10/10 or a 5/10 as long as it's interesting to me. I was pretty aware of the technical issues at launch and decided to give it a try instead of waiting for them to fix it. I'd have bought it in the long term for sure.

Overall I'm just wondering why there's a new thread each day where people are complaining about the game/the same things over and over.. It's all known.. We just have to wait...

There're some simple rules in order to prevent all of this:
- Don't preorder games
- Read some comments of players to see if there're severe issues
- Don't buy it if you feel it's too expensive/not worth it/doesn't meet your expectations. I'm still waiting for Hitman III to become a non epic game. If it's not getting released on a different store, I won't buy it.
- You don't have to play the latest games in order to have fun (unless it's a multiplayer). Just put it in your backlog and buy it in a sale later on. Most of the technical/gameplay issues will be solved by then and you'll also get it cheaper. In the best case the copy protection is also gone. I've only bought Pychonauts II & Deathloop on release this year in order to support the devs.
Last edited by agent orange; Oct 10 @ 2:39pm
drag Oct 10 @ 2:37pm 
Originally posted by agent orange:
Originally posted by drag:
Not reprimanded but they need to say that the game is on early access at least so we can all see that bugs and fixes are upcoming and @agent orange i'm not sure you clearly get my point. I'm supporting the devs, i know the industry but, and i won't pretend it's normal for AAA games to come out with those type of problems, it is just not normal, ofc we know that Bethesda is putting a lot of pressure but you can have this pressure and still notice the community feedbacks. You say and i quote "In an ideal world you'd get both", I hope no one is thinking like that, but in this industry era we don't want to buy a game that is "high rated" by the press and having this kind of bugs/crashes, it is not normal, you're being crushed by this system and you are in fact defending it. I'm sorry to tell ya but you're on the wrong path, defending them will juste make them continue forever what they do currently.

I wasn't really referring to your response but to those threads in general. I'm just wondering how this is going to improve/solve things or what people are expecting the devs to do now.

I'd guess that the devs are pretty aware of those issues. I'd assume that the ps5 release date was fixed and they had to release the pc version as well as there would have been an outcry otherwise (if they had just released it on ps5). It's similar to cyberpunk. It's not ideal but we can't change it and have to somehow accept the situation. I can play it on my old hardware and it just crashes sometimes. It's running worse than expected, but it's still playable. I agree with the beta state, but you can't release it on ps5 as done and as a beta on pc at the same time.

Arkane is small compared to the big players. They're having a much harder time to prioritize under pressure. At some point you have to make tough decisions. I'd cut them some slack and accept the current state if they're making progress and sort those things out. It's not the first game with technical issues at launch. Most of the current situation is probably due to advertising/publishers/contracts/penalties having forced them to release it in its current state on pc.

I didn't read any reviews and do ignore them in general. Most of it is somehow paid advertising and they were mostly playing/reviewing on ps5 afaik. It's not important to me if it's a 10/10 or a 5/10 as long as it's interesting to me. I was pretty aware of the technical issues at launch and decided to give it a try instead of waiting for them to fix it. I'd have bought it in the long term for sure.

Overall I'm just wondering why there's a new thread each day where people are complaining about the game/the same things over and over.. It's all known.. We just have to wait...

There're some simple rules in order to prevent all of this:
- Don't preorder games
- Read some comments of players to see if there're severe issues
- Don't buy it if you feel it's too expensive/not worth it/doesn't meet your expectations. I'm still waiting for Hitman III to become a non epic game. If it's not getting released on a different store, I won't buy it.
- You don't have to play the latest games in order to have fun (unless it's a multiplayer). Just put in in your backlog and buy it in a sale later on. Most of the technical/gameplay issues will be solved by then and you'll also get it cheaper. In the best case the copy protection is also gone. I've only bought Pychonauts II & Deathloop on release this year in order to support the devs.

I'm agreeing 100%. But maybe we can do a little something, like listing every bugs/crash people get into a single thread ?
Originally posted by agent orange:
There're some simple rules in order to prevent all of this:
- Don't preorder games

Funny thing is I preordered because preordering on Steam gives you the normal steam refund policy - if it had been a Cyberpunk or something you can refund within 2 hours/however many weeks of release.

As it turns out I didn't have any issues and don't regret my purchase, just mentioning that the "don't preorder" isn't always as big a deal.

I think Arkane is honestly just selling games to more of a niche market than their development costs can support and/or marketing wrong - the fact that Bioshock was widely played and Prey kinda flopped just doesn't seem right to me.

EDIT: Oh no, I'd almost forgotten Bioshock Infinite existed. Now that's a game where I personally wonder why it existed. How did it get better reviews than any Arkane game?
Last edited by Quillithe; Oct 10 @ 4:33pm
Limygeorge Oct 11 @ 12:01am 
I agree with the OP on most points. In fact I was absolutely going to purchase this as the 2 Dishonored games are among my favourite of all time.

But.. then I noticed that Bethesda has their finger in the pie. That always means trouble from my past experiences. I doubt Arkane make the marketing decisions, but correct me if I am wrong.

I also noticed clear info about linking the a Bethesda account. If that means simply opening an account it's not terrible. But does anyone know if we ALSO have to download, install and USE Bethesda's game client. (I think it use to be called U Play and was universally hated.) If it mean another game client, that's sad, I'll never experience it.

Does anyone KNOW about that. Just account, or account and use launcher??

Then I saw the price and noticed odd difference between "professional sites," review scores, all very good, and user reviews, mostly very bad. This is not uncommon, but on this scale the gulf made me thing cash had been moving under tables. Not an accusation, but the difference cannot be ignored.

Finally reference by the OP and other, early access, and excessive prices for different versions is insulting to the customer.

Personally I have alway liked Arkane, great devs, but if Bethesda are the publishers it will be endless problems and annoyances. That will increase by a factor of 10 if we need to use the Bethesda renamed launcher and sadly makes a purchase out of the question.

Just opinion, but seeing as info about this is rather misleading, I as you guys, the community, do we need another client, or just link to a Beth account. That's the first step for me to buy or not. Cheers people.
drag Oct 11 @ 12:43am 
Originally posted by Limygeorge:
I agree with the OP on most points. In fact I was absolutely going to purchase this as the 2 Dishonored games are among my favourite of all time.

But.. then I noticed that Bethesda has their finger in the pie. That always means trouble from my past experiences. I doubt Arkane make the marketing decisions, but correct me if I am wrong.

I also noticed clear info about linking the a Bethesda account. If that means simply opening an account it's not terrible. But does anyone know if we ALSO have to download, install and USE Bethesda's game client. (I think it use to be called U Play and was universally hated.) If it mean another game client, that's sad, I'll never experience it.

Does anyone KNOW about that. Just account, or account and use launcher??

Then I saw the price and noticed odd difference between "professional sites," review scores, all very good, and user reviews, mostly very bad. This is not uncommon, but on this scale the gulf made me thing cash had been moving under tables. Not an accusation, but the difference cannot be ignored.

Finally reference by the OP and other, early access, and excessive prices for different versions is insulting to the customer.

Personally I have alway liked Arkane, great devs, but if Bethesda are the publishers it will be endless problems and annoyances. That will increase by a factor of 10 if we need to use the Bethesda renamed launcher and sadly makes a purchase out of the question.

Just opinion, but seeing as info about this is rather misleading, I as you guys, the community, do we need another client, or just link to a Beth account. That's the first step for me to buy or not. Cheers people.

In this case, when you buy the guy, it launch on Steam and then you get your steam overlay as any steam's game and you have to login to your Bethesda account but you don't need to download anything, just Steam and the game. If you do so, i'm hoping the best for ya to play. +Dishonored 2 was also directed by Bethesda, and it's strangely at this point that we have seen bugs and crashes all over the place.
Limygeorge Oct 12 @ 12:30am 
@Drag. Thanks man. That is very helpful...and I'm relieved. Cheers!!:steamhappy:
drag Oct 12 @ 12:45am 
Originally posted by Limygeorge:
@Drag. Thanks man. That is very helpful...and I'm relieved. Cheers!!:steamhappy:
Np, thanks for the feedback I'll wait one week and after that I think that i'll make a list of all the bugs/crashes for the devs. Fingers Crossed and Hf.
Limygeorge Oct 12 @ 12:55am 
Great! Thanks again! :steamthumbsup:
Good game but agree that it should've been in the mid-price range. There's not enough there there to justify 60 $.
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