Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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CHAO$$$ 2021 年 8 月 26 日 上午 9:01
Can someone explain "combine spellbooks" for mythic paths?
To my understanding some mythic paths can combine their spellbook with that of certain classes.

What are the advantages/ disadvantages of doing so? How does it work?

I'd assume class spellprogression is generally faster - that would mean youd get faster access to mythic path spells as well?
最後修改者:CHAO$$$; 2021 年 8 月 26 日 上午 9:03
引用自 elbentzo:
Combining spellbooks is available to characters on the Angel mythic path (if they have levels in cleric or oracle classes) and characters on the Lich mythic path (if they have levels in wizard, sorcerer or arcanist classes). It's possible one of the late game mythic paths can also combine spellbooks with some classes but we don't know about those yet.

If you DON'T combine spellbooks, then you have two separate spell books, each with their own list of spells, each with their own caster level, and each with their own number of spells per day you can cast. The spell progression of the ``regular" spellbook is determined by the class and the Mythic spellbook by the mythic rank. The mythic spellbook contains both mythic spells (unique to WotR and to the specific mythic path you're on) and also normal spells you'd know from the standard divine spell list (for angels) or arcane spell list (for Liches).

If you DO combine spellbooks, then you have just one book with all your spells in it. This book contains all the spells you got from your class and the Mythic spells you should have according to your rank. You do not get the ``normal" spells the Mythic spellbook would've contained if you hadn't combined spellbooks. Your caster level (for all spells in the book, no matter where they came from) is the sum of your class levels plus your Mythic rank.

So for an example, let's say you're a level 10 wizard with Mythic rank 3 in the Lich path. If you do not combine spell books, you will have the normal amount of spells for a level 10 wizard with caster level 10. In addition you will have access to another book, with separate spell slots (so you can't use wizard slots to memorize more lich spells), which you cast at caster level 3. This book includes unique spells like Corrupted Blood, Mastery of Death and Power from Death, but also spells like Grease, False Life, Glitterdust and Displacement. You'll have them even if you didn't get them as a wizard, and you can memorize them in your Lich spell slots.

If the same wizard chose to combine books, he'd not have access to Grease, False Life, etc., unless he learned them as a wizard (he'll still have the unique lich spells). He will also only have a single set of spell slots to memorize both ``regular" arcane spells and lich spells. All his spells -- ``regular" arcane or unique lich -- are cast at caster level 13.

Edit: in case it wasn't clear, combining spellbooks is SUPER powerful and I can't imagine a case where it's not vastly superior to keeping them separate. You can always get spell slots from Mythic abilities (Abundant Casting), and increasing your overall caster level is incredibly powerful, much more than getting a few extra spells you might not have had otherwise. For example, Angels have a mythic spell that does a die of damage per caster level to all enemies in a large area -- 1d6 if they're not evil, 1d8 if they're evil but low level, and so forth up to 1d12 if they're evil dragons or Demon lords. If you don't combine levels, you can cast it up to level 10 (maximum mythic rank in the game) for up to 10d12 damage.
If you do combine, you can go as high as 30d12 AOE. Crazy.
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Dark3nedDragon 2021 年 8 月 30 日 下午 3:50 
引用自 Lane
Hmm this makes me think... Will Mystic Theurge finally be amazing? You can reach top lvl spells like this and have both arcane and divine spells. Can cast priest spells without preparing them in advance too.

Based on extensive beta testing, you have to merge the Mythic Class with a regular Class in order to use it with Mystic Theurge, i.e. Cleric or Oracle merged with Angel then merged with an Arcane Class into Mystic Theurge.

Inverse is true with Lich, i.e. Wizard, Witch, Arcanist, Sorcerer merged with Lich into Mystic Theurge. You can do the Mystic Theurge merge BEFORE you merge the Spellcasting, but you cannot choose to NOT merge (i.e. no Sorcerer, Witch, Arcanist, or Wizard levels) and then do it.

There's one important thing though, you can merge something like Magus and Cleric or Magus and Oracle together, which is pretty important for Angel. I.e. Magus 4 will unlock the Arcane side, 1 Oracle or Cleric merged with Angel will get you the ability to qualify for Mystic Theurge (meaning you could choose to stop leveling after level 5, which full disclosure will make the rest of that act waaaaay more difficult, but then get full progression at an insane rate after merging Oracle or Cleric with Angel).

What this means, is that as a Magus you'll get all Cleric spells levels 1-5 as options 24/7 in your Spell List as Magus, and you get all the Magus spells levels 1-5 as options in the Cleric Spell List, you of course also get all Angel Spells 1-5 as options in the Magus Spell List too.

This can give you the full capacity of a healer without being a major detriment to your damage output.

Example Build:
Eldritch Scion Magus 4
Oracle 1 - Nature, CHA instead of DEX to AC
Scaled Fist Monk 1 - CHA to AC
Mystic Theurge 10

Remaining levels either Oracle, Magus; alternatively 4 into Mutation Warrior, 3 Scaled Fist 1 Vivisectionist, etc.

Half-Elf with +4 to CHA, 18 STR, 7, 7, 13, 7, 22 CHA
Feats into Crane and level up points into CHA, also take Combat Expertise

You'll wear no armor, have extremely high AC, be able to cast any Oracle or Angel spell levels 1-5 while still performing all of your attacks, you could cast Breath of Life and still fully attack the entire round.
-=orC: \/\/ard=- AGA 2021 年 8 月 30 日 下午 4:16 
Whats up with the Druids? Why can't they merge spellbooks, they are full divine casters? Are Druids a bit mistreated in PF:KM / WotR. Missing key spells, bugged, limited Shapechange and now no spellbook merge. That feels kinda bad...
CDI Mario 2021 年 8 月 30 日 下午 5:00 
Whats up with the Druids? Why can't they merge spellbooks, they are full divine casters? Are Druids a bit mistreated in PF:KM / WotR. Missing key spells, bugged, limited Shapechange and now no spellbook merge. That feels kinda bad...
Hobos arnt welcome in the crusade
Statboy 2021 年 8 月 30 日 下午 6:18 
引用自 Morgian
When merged you gain 30 lvl caster and gain 10th level spells.

Most (but not all) spells in PF cap at CL 20 for the purpose of effects, ie Caster level in D6's of damage or healing. Lower level spells typically having a lower cap, such as snowball capping CL 5, or Cure Light Wounds caps at CL 5, etc. Is this still the case in WotR?
Foolswalkin 2021 年 8 月 31 日 上午 5:14 
Spell penetration will likely still be pretty valuable, that’s uncapped.

Learning that unmerged mythic spells work at double mythic rank is making me think very carefully about the mystic theurge merge path. Both theurge and unmerged mythic essentially get you +10 caster levels across 2 classes, but theurge gives up all the other class features of those levels for the privilege.
Immortal Reaver 2021 年 8 月 31 日 上午 6:26 
引用自 Satan
引用自 Immortal Reaver
When merged you gain 30 lvl caster and gain 10th level spells.

I think you get 10th level spells either way, pretty sure
No when Angel and Lich is not merged they are 20th level caster with no access to 10th level spells (at least it was said few months ago on stream).

引用自 Foolswalkin
Spell penetration will likely still be pretty valuable, that’s uncapped.

Learning that unmerged mythic spells work at double mythic rank is making me think very carefully about the mystic theurge merge path. Both theurge and unmerged mythic essentially get you +10 caster levels across 2 classes, but theurge gives up all the other class features of those levels for the privilege.
Mythic Spells are not affected by Spell Resistance.
Foolswalkin 2021 年 8 月 31 日 上午 6:59 
引用自 Immortal Reaver
引用自 Foolswalkin
Spell penetration will likely still be pretty valuable, that’s uncapped.
Mythic Spells are not affected by Spell Resistance.

Sorry, that first part was in relation to Statboy's question about most spells in game capping at 20, and I was pointing to an advantage to going over 20 levels even for those spells. Unless you're saying that all spells in a merged spellbook become Mythic and ignore Spell Resistance, in which case, damn.

最後修改者:Foolswalkin; 2021 年 8 月 31 日 上午 6:59
Immortal Reaver 2021 年 8 月 31 日 上午 7:15 
引用自 Foolswalkin

Sorry, that first part was in relation to Statboy's question about most spells in game capping at 20, and I was pointing to an advantage to going over 20 levels even for those spells. Unless you're saying that all spells in a merged spellbook become Mythic and ignore Spell Resistance, in which case, damn.
I know in non-merged spellbook that all spells from mythic spellbook (even spells that normal casters have ignore SR).
If it is merged then you gain only unique spells for that Mythic Path and I think those also ignore SR, but spells given by your class are normaly affected by SR.
Twisted 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 12:43 
I recently updated the article about Mythic Spellbooks on the wiki: https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Mythic+Spellbook

Feel free to update if there are any mistakes !
LordSith 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 12:48 
I see for angel "no" in the "can combine spellbooks".

I'm not sure if it's wrong or i don't understand but here is my testimony: my crusader priest could merge spell book with an angel. The angel spells became then "memorized" type spell, and i had no spontaneous casting.
最後修改者:LordSith; 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 12:48
Twisted 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 12:56 
引用自 AngelRay
I see for angel "no" in the "can combine spellbooks".

I'm not sure if it's wrong or i don't understand but here is my testimony: my crusader priest could merge spell book with an angel. The angel spells became then "memorized" type spell, and i had no spontaneous casting.

That's one of the mistakes I spoke about earlier :P . It's corrected now. As I said, feel free to do it yourself next time. It's a wiki, that's what it's made for.

Especially, I'm unsure about how late-game mythic paths behave with spellbooks as I wasn't able to test them. I just used whatever information I could get from Youtube videos. So if you have a playthrough with one of those mythic paths and you know what I put in the wiki is false, please correct it.
最後修改者:Twisted; 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 12:59
Twisted 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 2:16 
Whats up with the Druids? Why can't they merge spellbooks, they are full divine casters? Are Druids a bit mistreated in PF:KM / WotR. Missing key spells, bugged, limited Shapechange and now no spellbook merge. That feels kinda bad...
I can confirm you can merge Angel spellbook with both druid and shaman in 1.1, I tested it.

Unfortunately the druid is not very popular in WotR because shapechange is not very powerful, but I think it would be possible to create some quite good builds using the shaman. You just have to see Camelia when she has appropriate build and boosts to understand what I mean, a full caster with sky-high AC is not something to joke about. A player-created Angel-Shaman could be even more powerful.
最後修改者:Twisted; 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 2:20
Immortal Reaver 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 7:07 
Late paths (Swarm, Dragon, Devil and Legend) have no mythic spellbook.
kodama 2021 年 11 月 12 日 上午 7:35 
引用自 Immortal Reaver
Late paths (Swarm, Dragon, Devil and Legend) have no mythic spellbook.

If this is true:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/ppvhcs/does_legend_have_mythic_ranks/

than Legend keeps merged spellbook (and it would be cool if there is someone who did Trickster->Legend run and could share what happens with Trickster feats unlocked with Perc 2 in that scenario)
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