Icarus
danderskoff Sep 25, 2021 @ 9:45pm
Refunding the game after initially being really happy with it
Hello,

Here is why I am refunding the game:

Major bugs have not been fixed after 3 beta weekends. Major bugs being - Dropping an oxygen bladder makes it disappear forever, you can't fully mine ore without it being stuck in the ground, deer and other animals spawn inside of your house and often get trapped in the door, wood often drops through the ground and disappears, any fire on any point of the map makes the hills to be alive with the color of fire, animals often spawn but do not react to you and are not able to be interacted with - so basically ghost animals

Major gripes about the game - iron is scaled to be way too important in the game - you need somewhere around 600 iron ore to build one gun from the beginning of the game and that's NOT including making iron tools or stone architecture for base building, a lantern should not take 12 sheets of glass to make, a lantern should be able to held on your belt like a raccoon and give way more light than a torch, iron should be more common if it's going to be so important, ore spawns inside of the ground way too often and you should really have specific mines for ores instead of a spread mix - it feels really bad finally finding a mine and half of the ore being titanium or aluminum, 1 steel bloom shouldn't take 2 iron ingots to make, a concrete furnace should be able to more efficiently make ingots out of ore compared to a smelting furnace, resetting your progress after every beta weekend, stone foundations and stone architecture shouldn't take iron to make, you should really get more talent points than you do because it feels really bad NOT BEING ABLE TO REFUND TALENT POINTS in the game, stamina takes a really long time to recover, not being able to turn up the brightness at night is really frustrating because even with a torch it's super hard to see and forget about hunting at night, building things is really finicky and it's super easy to build something half-way down a mountain.

I could go on and on but this pretty much sums it up. It's way too tedious for such a small result.
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WEREWITCH Sep 25, 2021 @ 10:10pm 
Originally posted by Thisha:
https://icarus.featureupvote.com/
This.
Thisha Sep 25, 2021 @ 10:39pm 
I turned in some suggestions myself.
You can also see what they already have been fixing or are/will be taking on.

I had my 'oh no' moments too but I'm sure the necessary will be done.

If you want things fast, play Rust (if you don't have night vision, there it's pitch black since that implementation by the way).

I couldn't play much on BW3 (buddies needed support in Scum and I'm saving energy for New World 🙂) but I had hours of fun already. I could do what was necessary, I could progress... And some things actually felt quite satisfying/rewarding.

I'm especially looking forward to feel the real timer pressure as it's the key feature of the game not being implemented right now.

But ok, if you're refunding now while you have time until 2 playing hours after release, I guess you already set up your mind 🙂.
Last edited by Thisha; Sep 25, 2021 @ 11:04pm
Diedel Sep 25, 2021 @ 11:10pm 
I am still unsure and will wait til release or at least closer to that. So far we have just seen a rather generic survival game that is missing the only somewhat unique feature. I don't really like the strange "online" mode that seems to be more of a shareable cloud storage thing, but will most likely mean no difficulty settings or any other options for that matter and no modding. The only offline mode looks like more of a free play sandbox and sounds extremely boring, especially as that is missing the unique feature.
cgatling Sep 26, 2021 @ 1:03am 
I will not be getting this game for three reasons: 1. I do not have a group to play coop with and 2. The economy is way out of whack. The 3rd reason is from watching two streams on Saturday night. The first stream was from a seasoned group of five veterans who appeared to be playing "Wolf and Bear Death Simulator". Now I'm well familiar with this being a long time player of "The Long Dark" but the spawns over the last 2 days have been ridiculous and get in the way of gathering which leads to reason number 2. 32 steel ingots to make a rifle? 26 to make a shotgun? Are they the size of troy ounce silver ingots? They persevered and went to the Arctic with 2 rifles and 3 shotguns and though they used arrows on wolves and limited their guns to the polar bears they couldn't avoid they ran out of ammo halfway through the fight with the mammoth. It was an epic battle, well worth watching and a lot of fun. The only reason they couldn't make it back to their ships was the US Steam multiplayer server went down and one man making a valiant run got taken down by a bear before he got out of the biome. Because he had no support. This is the reason for beta tests I know but they are not going to finish the game on Sunday, there's no reason to. An estimated 2 hours and they would have been done but we won't get to see the ending.

The second stream was by a solo player who made it to the arctic only to be met by endless waves of wolves. And the arctic wolf respawn got turned down? If this guy makes it to the mammoth... fat chance since since he has no gun he will never beat it, it has at minimum several thousand hit points and I doubt he will make it there before the beta test is over. The crafting ratios are ridiculous. I've got Valheim and will have to finish it in creative mode and I'm not going to get another like it. Hate on mye if you will but unless you have a large group you will never finish this game and the grinding is going to be ridiculous.
madjock Sep 26, 2021 @ 2:16am 
Much the same as the Op and agree with some of his points.

I Play with one or 2 friends, granted we all getting on a bit and are maybe a bit slower at progressing than others but up until this weekend we were all enjoying it.

The need for Iron to make stone is silly because i just watched 3 wolfs demolish a line of stone foundations with ease, the wooden defence hedgehog actually take less damage than stone, that's taking the extreme survival tag to far. Animals do not eat there way through stone in seconds.

The Spawns of wolfs and bears are silly, we have basically been Forced to hide in a cave, that in itself would not be to bad but every day we have to clear 1 bear and 5 wolfs from in front of the cave, some days we get 2 waves (the corpse (free meal detection) which basically means we spend our whole day fighting and recovering from wildlife.

Add in deaths because you are usually in your Inventory or doing something when Mr 880lb bear tiptoes up to you and tears you a new one. The daily storm that basically forces you to take shelter.

I have seen this ALL before, ARK/ Dark and Light had most of the same problems, houses getting ruined by Dodo's, bad metal availability for low level players etc etc etc. yeah some got addressed and fixed as time went bye but some issues never got fixed. Point here being why should I pay money for a survival game that's basically following the same path as most of the others

Much better to refund because you can pretty much guarantee this game will be on sale for a lower or same price in every steam sale after Xmas.

They care about realism soo much i have to eat and drink 6 times a day, have a pretty day night and storm cycle BUT i need iron to make stone walls and wolfs/ bears can eat these blocks in 4 hits
Thisha Sep 26, 2021 @ 5:13am 
When I look at how few upvotes some of the mentioned issues get corresponding to the number of complaints I have been reading...

Apparently, some clicks or taps and light reading is too much of an effort... Rather just complain...

I recently bought Zee.End. My husband laughed at me. Yes, it's rather empty still and cars were spawning in a hunting tower (which was just funny as hell)... Still, the day after I posted some issues, they fixed some already. Content is added, more is planned... It's nice to grow with a game.

Ok, I might be not the average player. I kinda collect survival games and even kept some very bad ones. I can rather well just accept a game as it is. The best hours are always the first ones, discovering, exploring or when new content has been added... Even with bugs - as long it's playable in the way you can reach all content.

I don't go out, don't go to the movies... If I get a certain number of hours out of a game compared to the price, for me it's already worth it.

Go upvote 🙂.
🌴Raaban🌴 Sep 29, 2021 @ 7:13am 
Refunded myself
Armitage Shanks Oct 3, 2021 @ 6:36am 
Bye
b0nehead Oct 3, 2021 @ 9:06am 
Originally posted by cgatling:
I will not be getting this game for three reasons: 1. I do not have a group to play coop with and 2. The economy is way out of whack. The 3rd reason is from watching two streams on Saturday night. The first stream was from a seasoned group of five veterans who appeared to be playing "Wolf and Bear Death Simulator". Now I'm well familiar with this being a long time player of "The Long Dark" but the spawns over the last 2 days have been ridiculous and get in the way of gathering which leads to reason number 2. 32 steel ingots to make a rifle? 26 to make a shotgun? Are they the size of troy ounce silver ingots? They persevered and went to the Arctic with 2 rifles and 3 shotguns and though they used arrows on wolves and limited their guns to the polar bears they couldn't avoid they ran out of ammo halfway through the fight with the mammoth. It was an epic battle, well worth watching and a lot of fun. The only reason they couldn't make it back to their ships was the US Steam multiplayer server went down and one man making a valiant run got taken down by a bear before he got out of the biome. Because he had no support. This is the reason for beta tests I know but they are not going to finish the game on Sunday, there's no reason to. An estimated 2 hours and they would have been done but we won't get to see the ending.

The second stream was by a solo player who made it to the arctic only to be met by endless waves of wolves. And the arctic wolf respawn got turned down? If this guy makes it to the mammoth... fat chance since since he has no gun he will never beat it, it has at minimum several thousand hit points and I doubt he will make it there before the beta test is over. The crafting ratios are ridiculous. I've got Valheim and will have to finish it in creative mode and I'm not going to get another like it. Hate on mye if you will but unless you have a large group you will never finish this game and the grinding is going to be ridiculous.

You can;t join public games? or you dont want to? or that feature doesnt exist?
Last edited by b0nehead; Oct 3, 2021 @ 9:06am
Auger Oct 3, 2021 @ 11:23am 
You can play with your steam friends. I played last weekend solo and killed the mammoth. Was it easy, no you have to play smart or you would never make it. I only had a recurve bow and iron knife and still made it all the way there and killed it.

It seemed the entrance point to snow had a lot of wolves once you made it in deeper then there were only some polar bears that were easy to sneak by. The wolves take maybe 2 to 3 hits to kill with knife and barely damage you.



Shamm  [developer] Oct 4, 2021 @ 5:52pm 
Originally posted by danderskoff:
Hello,

Here is why I am refunding the game:

Major bugs have not been fixed after 3 beta weekends. Major bugs being - Dropping an oxygen bladder makes it disappear forever, you can't fully mine ore without it being stuck in the ground, deer and other animals spawn inside of your house and often get trapped in the door, wood often drops through the ground and disappears, any fire on any point of the map makes the hills to be alive with the color of fire, animals often spawn but do not react to you and are not able to be interacted with - so basically ghost animals

Major gripes about the game - iron is scaled to be way too important in the game - you need somewhere around 600 iron ore to build one gun from the beginning of the game and that's NOT including making iron tools or stone architecture for base building, a lantern should not take 12 sheets of glass to make, a lantern should be able to held on your belt like a raccoon and give way more light than a torch, iron should be more common if it's going to be so important, ore spawns inside of the ground way too often and you should really have specific mines for ores instead of a spread mix - it feels really bad finally finding a mine and half of the ore being titanium or aluminum, 1 steel bloom shouldn't take 2 iron ingots to make, a concrete furnace should be able to more efficiently make ingots out of ore compared to a smelting furnace, resetting your progress after every beta weekend, stone foundations and stone architecture shouldn't take iron to make, you should really get more talent points than you do because it feels really bad NOT BEING ABLE TO REFUND TALENT POINTS in the game, stamina takes a really long time to recover, not being able to turn up the brightness at night is really frustrating because even with a torch it's super hard to see and forget about hunting at night, building things is really finicky and it's super easy to build something half-way down a mountain.

I could go on and on but this pretty much sums it up. It's way too tedious for such a small result.
Hey! All great feedback, and like one of the others commented, I would love to see ALL of this on icarus.featureupvote.com!!

Being in Beta, balancing and tweaking is key. We know this, and so we've been really figuring out how we're going to approach this and gathering a ton of player data over the weekends. Bugs too, getting thousands of players in the game, gives us data we just can't get any other way!

I would encourage you to come back at the 1.0 launch, it sounds like the Beta approach doesn't quite work for you and that is TOTALLY ok! It's not for everyone, some of us just like a working, polished game!

Thanks again for the feedback, and I hope to see you on launch!
EnigmaSeven Oct 5, 2021 @ 4:49am 
Welcome to BETA testing.. where all the major fixes are there to make sure the game is running and NOT blowing your system up.. small ♥♥♥♥ like that = childsplay.. But if you wanna refund .. we can't stop you ..
Last edited by EnigmaSeven; Oct 5, 2021 @ 4:49am
m99noble Oct 5, 2021 @ 5:03am 
ty OP for saving my pals and I the purchase. Tedious = frustrating and boring. Tension = exhilarating and fun.
Jayson Phoenix Oct 5, 2021 @ 5:46am 
Originally posted by m99noble:
ty OP for saving my pals and I the purchase. Tedious = frustrating and boring. Tension = exhilarating and fun.
or you try for yourself at some of the coming beta weekends since refunding is no problem here :P
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Date Posted: Sep 25, 2021 @ 9:45pm
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