Paladins: Can they chose their Patron diety?

[El Presidente]

Like will we ba able to chose the God that we are serving/ are Oath sworn to? Sadly we are lacking that Option in EA

[Foolswalkin]

In Unknown Armies Avatars (the closest things to clerics) gain power by how much they outwardly resemble the core Archetypes that constitute our reality. Belief not required.

If in D&D 5e the Oath is the conduit rather than a formal contract, perhaps the divine power of Vengeance flows from the divinity of Vengeance to those who have sworn their lives to pursuing it, worshipping with deeds not beliefs. Faith vs works has at times been a pretty lively debate in Christianity, could be here too.

[Pozhinateli]

Originally posted by Ghost:

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

But it make nonsense at all. Paladin from definition is a knight who serve the God. Paladin without faith is not the paladin but ordinary noble.

If we're going to be pedantic about definitions, a paladin is just a close retainer to the emperor.

Not only. Good examples of real world paladins who was not retainer to the emperor are Teutonic Order or Templar knights. And definitions are important, especially for class you want to Role play.
This whole argumentations are absurd. "I wanna role play a holy knight but I don't want to be related to faith". No, you cannot be a holly knight if you have no faith. That is that simple.
This alone case show how 5e is broken.

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

Originally posted by Ghost:

If we're going to be pedantic about definitions, a paladin is just a close retainer to the emperor.

Not only. Good examples of real world paladins who was not retainer to the emperor are Teutonic Order or Templar knights. And definitions are important, especially for class you want to Role play.

Not only, sure. It changed somewhat over time and even continues to be used - roughly 1000 years between Rome and the Knights though. But gods/holiness had nothing to do with it originally.

[MeldinX2]

I do think it's silly though to change something that has been a staple until 5 edition. I don't really think there is alot of sense tying divine power to an ''Oath''. Why would that give power? It make more sense to get power from a god or powerful being. Clerics still do. Paladins are holy knights, they should be tied to a deity for their holy powers. Evil Paladins could draw power from evil gods instead.

[iFrame]

A Knight swears an Oath.
A Paladin crusades for his God.

Should just rename Paladin class to Knight...

[Jekko]

whoever said 5e PHB says paladins don't need a deity is comically wrong, reread "The Cause of Righteousness" and "Creating a Paladin"

[boo_guy]

Originally posted by Vixzian:

all the anti religion people cope.

Can you point to people who are having to "cope" with religion being in games?

When you get back from your timeout that is.

[Jekko]

the crucial point: "Although many paladins are devoted to the gods of good a paladin's power comes as much from a commitment to justice itself as it does from a god." Hence why you need both upholding an oath AND a deity or collection of deities. Roleplaying paladins like in Pillars of Eternity where they just have zeal in their order is simply wrong

[MeldinX2]

Originally posted by Jekko:

the crucial point: "Although many paladins are devoted to the gods of good a paladin's power comes as much from a commitment to justice itself as it does from a god." Hence why you need both upholding an oath AND a deity or collection of deities. Roleplaying paladins like in Pillars of Eternity where they just have zeal in their order is simply wrong

Yeah but how can they get divine power from commitment to justice? Seems silly. Makes no sense.

[Jekko]

since in EA Tyr speaks to you it's probably just assumed that paladins are generally aligned with deities of justice

[MeldinX2]

Originally posted by Jekko:

since in EA Tyr speaks to you it's probably just assumed that paladins are generally aligned with deities of justice

Yes and that is a god. Which is the point of the whole thread. But they removed the ability to choose. Also it would be weird if you are an evil paladin. Makes no sense for 5th edition to distance themselfs from serving a god as paladins.

[Cirrus]

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

AFAIK, 5E in general has gotten rid of religion from Paladins, because people didn't like having religion tied to a character in a roleplaying game.

Most stupid excuse I ever heard. Religion is exactly what make a paladin a paladin.

No it does not. Or are you person who decides d&d rules?

[Wubbinz]

Originally posted by Cirrus:

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

Most stupid excuse I ever heard. Religion is exactly what make a paladin a paladin.

No it does not. Or are you person who decides d&d rules?

Can confirm they don't decide and can confirm that Paladins don't need a god as of 5e.

[MeldinX2]

Originally posted by Paton:

Originally posted by Cirrus:

No it does not. Or are you person who decides d&d rules?

Can confirm they don't decide and can confirm that Paladins don't need a god as of 5e.

Obvously. People just don't agree with the changes WIzards of the coast made with 5th editon. In terms of the Paladin atleast.

[Jekko]

Originally posted by Paton:

Originally posted by Cirrus:

No it does not. Or are you person who decides d&d rules?

Can confirm they don't decide and can confirm that Paladins don't need a god as of 5e.

reread the PHB