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Little Busters! English Edition
odisos Apr 30, 2017 @ 2:36am
Missing content from Ecstasy Edition.
I would really appreciate, if you could provide the missing content from the Ecstasy Edition through a patch or in a standalone version. It's unacceptable that the english community will never be able to get the "full" game. The "missing" content might not be the best content or it might even harm the story, but it's "left out" which, in my eyes, is "censorship" and I'm "compleatly" against censorship of any kind! I wan't complete/full games or a legal way to achive this state (through patchs/DLC's). Nobody has the right to say "This is nothing for you.", I wan't to build this opinion on my own. I might even say "That really wasn't worth it." but at least I could build this opinon on my own and can argue about it.
I'm also aware of the fact, that the Perfect Edition never had all the content the Ecstasy Edition has, but it's still the "same game", so I only count a version with all the content from both games a real "Perfect Edition".[ I can understand that the developer thought of it as the real Perfect Edition, because the Ecstasy Edtion content might be horrible and never intendet to be added by the artists/writers.] The term "English Edition" also feels more like a downgrade, because publishers tend to censore their games for an english release which, in a way, is also the case here. From the technical aspects, the English Edition is luckly an upgarde, because we can still view 4:3 images and even got japanese and english (with japanese naming order an honorifics), but from the content aspect it "lacks" content that japanese players have access to (through the Ecstasy Edition).

As to my knowledge, over 50 games on steam provide a patch for the steam version of their games to restore missing content that steam might have found inappropriate. It's allready an unspoken rule, that publishers can provide patches outside of steam to restore their games to full content. Only one publisher claims, that their steam response person said, they shouldn't do this, but he still delivers full uncut version outside of steam[mangagamer.com]. You can even choose the path Corona Blossom did and release a (paid) mosaic free patch[jlist.com] (only accessible outside japan) and a (paid) mosaic retaining patch[dlsite.com] accessible to everyone.

Releasing a patch would greatly[should] bennefit your profits, because a lot more people would by the game (including me) while at the same time people who don't want the "missing" content would[should have] also [been] satisfied. By the way, my dream release would be an "uncut" and DRM-free collectors editon hardcopy.

EDIT: Changed/added some stuff because of Baldr's remark and the overall feedback
Last edited by odisos; Apr 30, 2017 @ 9:03am
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kilicool64 Apr 30, 2017 @ 2:58am 
Have you ever actually read a KEY H-scene? They are widely agreed to be among the worst in the whole industry, and a perfect example of H-scenes that actively detract from the experience. Some of them have truly ridiculous excuses as well, such as the protagonist spontaneously having sex with a girl he isn't even in a relationship with for literally no purpose other than to warm her up.

The horrific music that plays in LB!'s H-scenes in particular makes it very clear that the creators just wanted to troll the more perverted parts of their audience.

So why would you want a patch that makes the VN worse?
odisos Apr 30, 2017 @ 3:08am 
Originally posted by kilicool64:
Have you ever actually read a KEY H-scene? They are widely agreed to be among the worst in the whole industry, and a perfect example of H-scenes that actively detract from the experience. Some of them have truly ridiculous excuses as well, such as the protagonist spontaneously having sex with a girl he isn't even in a relationship with for literally no purpose other than to warm her up.

The horrific music that plays in LB!'s H-scenes in particular makes it very clear that the creators just wanted to troll the more perverted parts of their audience.

So why would you want a patch that makes the VN worse?

Because I haven't played those scenes. That's the whole point of it all. It's possible that I agree with you about how terrible they are but I can't do this if I haven't played them. Providing a patch can't harm you in any way bacause you don't have to patch the game.
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@ndy Apr 30, 2017 @ 3:26am 
I actually havent played tru H-scenes either but to honest I absolutly dont miss them there nor feel like i should see´em
As long as porn is the only thing that got erased/changed in game
its pretty much a buy
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TrickZZter Apr 30, 2017 @ 3:31am 
It's based on the Perfect Edition that has no H-content. Thus, there won't be any patch.
tanasinn Apr 30, 2017 @ 3:46am 
If you're playing this for the h-scenes alone then this probably isn't what you're looking for. LB has one of the best, well-written stories in a VN that I've experienced, the 18+ content was pretty much included so that they could market the game to eroge fans. Not a prude, for I know of many games in which the h-scenes are a crucial part of the experience (for example, saya no uta?) but can safely say that this isn't something you need at all to enjoy this for what it is.

Nothing was censored in this release: it's a port of the perfect edition, which was the original content plus the non-h parts of the extacy routes. If you are one of the many people I see on the greenlight page claiming that they'd play the fan-translation over this version: they're the same thing! The translation team for this are the same people who did the original translation (after tidying it up and translating the ex routes, missing from the old fan-translation patch). The old translation was for the ORIGINAL little busters, not extacy or perfect edition.

If you really want the EX-only content as a separate patch, that's fine. But the game is in no way incomplete without it - the h-scenes are not only unnecessary but (in my opinion) mess with the story of the original VN. My only disclaimer is that I haven't yet played any of the EX routes (as they have never been translated before) and so perhaps they do tie in better with the h-scenes. :muvluv_marimo:
odisos Apr 30, 2017 @ 4:00am 
I should clarify myself because it seams you haven't read or misinterpret what I've written.

I know the English Edition is based on the Perfect Edition which never had H-scenes. As I sad, I see all releases of this game combined as "the game", that means if "version A" has content that "version B" no longer has, it's missing in "version B". I only complain because of the fact that I don't wan't to be left out on content that is still available for other persons. It doesn't matter which type the content it is or which quality it has as long as it's content that has ben removed from "the game"(definition of the term some sentences before) it is "censoreship" and against my beliefs to support this practice.
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kilicool64 Apr 30, 2017 @ 4:16am 
Yeah, all censorship is bad, even if it makes a work better by removing tasteless garbage that never should've been included in the first place.
odisos Apr 30, 2017 @ 6:07am 
Originally posted by kilicool64:
Yeah, all censorship is bad, even if it makes a work better by removing tasteless garbage that never should've been included in the first place.
I like your sarcasm but neither can I say it is "tasteless garbage" nor it's a masterpice; I haven't played them. Everyone should be able to have chance to create their own opinion. As I allready mentioned, I might come to the same conclusion, but it might be the other way round. For example only because you don't like tomatos, why should I be prevented to eat them myself and might come to a different opinion? It's not like my eyeballs will explode from horrible images or my mind goes insane because of the terrible writing those scenes might have.
IAIsLife Apr 30, 2017 @ 6:49am 
Key H-scenes are widely considered to be crap in the VN industry. You won't be missing much, and it's not censorship if it is based on the Perfect Edition, a version that never had this content in the first place.

If you want the erotic material, wait for a fan patch. It most likely will never get an official release. I'm sure you are not alone in this mindset. Unforunately folks with this mindset are a detriment to the VN industry and this means VN devs like Key and Aquaplus will face this kind of criticism as they move away from hentai.

Hentai is one of the reasons why VNs remain niche, and pubs are aware of this, which is why they are inclined to remove erotic material from the official release. Not saying it's okay, but in many cases it's pointless as the hardcore niche will simply pirate and patch the game, like with If My Heart Had Wings.

I will however agree with you on the hardcopy and I would happily buy one, but only if it is the AA version due to legal concerns.
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tanasinn Apr 30, 2017 @ 6:52am 
Ok, I reread your post and it seems I missed your point on a few occasions. I have a few things to say:

This isn't censorship under a strict definition: it's a port of an already censored game. What you're asking for is content from a different game entirely (which is ok, but this would give less informed people the wrong idea).

The censorship here was done by Key themselves, not the localisation team and so I don't think they should be the ones held responsible, and I certainly think it's dumb that people are refusing to buy over this.

I suppose you could say that fruitbat should've translated the EX ver as opposed to the Perfect edition, I don't really have a comeback to this... Who knows, perhaps we'll get a non-steam english release of that version. But if that were the case I'd envision something like a separate denpasoft release and a patch seems unlikely (but not impossible). If the 18+ content gets translated one way or another, you can expect someone will figure out how to splice it into this release.

Just to clarify again: I'm not against requesting the extra content but I really, don't think this constitutes censorship (on Fruitbat Factory's part anyway). There are some unjustly censored games on steam (where the localisation team has removed chunks that were originally published in japan), but this isn't one of them
odisos Apr 30, 2017 @ 7:44am 
Originally posted by IAIsLife:
If you want the erotic material, wait for a fan patch. It most likely will never get an official release. I'm sure you are not alone in this mindset. Unforunately folks with this mindset are a detriment to the VN industry and this means VN devs like Key and Aquaplus will face this kind of criticism as they move away from hentai.

Hentai is one of the reasons why VNs remain niche, and pubs are aware of this, which is why they are inclined to remove erotic material from the official release. Not saying it's okay, but in many cases it's pointless as the hardcore niche will simply pirate and patch the game, like with If My Heart Had Wings.
We might misunderstand each other but I have no problem with all-ages games. I really don't care whatever content there is as long as it is ALL the content. Some content might be optional and only available through special ways (in game menu with extra scenes/seperat patches/etc.) but it has to be (more or less) officially available.

Originally posted by tanasinn:
This isn't censorship under a strict definition: it's a port of an already censored game. What you're asking for is content from a different game entirely (which is ok, but this would give less informed people the wrong idea).
That's why I sad I see all the releases as "one game". As long as there is not a completely different story, these are all the same game only different versions of it. For Example: Buying CoD on Gamestar to get an Gamestar exclusiv item or on steam to get steam exclusiv item doesn't make it two different games.

Originally posted by tanasinn:
The censorship here was done by Key themselves, not the localisation team and so I don't think they should be the ones held responsible, and I certainly think it's dumb that people are refusing to buy over this.
I didn't intend to accuse someone specifically. I started the topic to address my concerns. If someone of the staff reads it, he/she should be able to forward it to the responsible persons (or ignore it like they did in Tomoya After). By the way, compleatly ingoring your customers is the worst reaction you can do. It's better to say "F*** you, we won't do it!" then keeping silent.
I'm not shure if I'll buy it or not. In general I don't wan't to support "censored" steam games but this is a special case, because the orginal release was all-ages. Time will tell...

Originally posted by tanasinn:
I suppose you could say that fruitbat should've translated the EX ver as opposed to the Perfect edition, I don't really have a comeback to this... Who knows, perhaps we'll get a non-steam english release of that version. But if that were the case I'd envision something like a separate denpasoft release and a patch seems unlikely (but not impossible). If the 18+ content gets translated one way or another, you can expect someone will figure out how to splice it into this release.
I wouldn't like this. I wan't to buy one game to experience the "full" game, not two. That's the same problem I have with Grisaia, I have to buy both games to get the full content and I'm not willing to to this. (I'll buy the complete box later this year and p****e the steam version if it's not included in the box. Further I'll continue to hate Sekai Project for "destroying" this great license :angry_creep: But that's a different stroy that shouldn't be discussed here.)
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Ecciel Apr 30, 2017 @ 7:54am 
Oh, come on. The h-scenes in Little Busters! isn't even mandatory, and I assure you, they're really the worst.
Dolraeth Apr 30, 2017 @ 7:59am 
I'm okay with Ecstasy being left out. I like my Key novels without H content.
Baldr Apr 30, 2017 @ 8:00am 
You have to accept that certain parts of the game were left out by Key itself, because they didn't want to produce them in the first place. Key didn't censor Little Busters, they chose to publish a Perfect Edition which cut porn entirely. It is not true that a work is perfect when it includes everything, a work is perfect when it contains only what the authors want, NO MORE. If you want anything else, it means you don't like the game fully, like the authors intended it to be. In this case, asking here is neither correct nor justifiable.
Natsururin Apr 30, 2017 @ 8:01am 
Are you seriously forgetting Little Busters was originally an all-ages game and whining about the lack of useless fanservice that was shoehorned in later and wisely removed after the fact?

Let's be happy they decided to release Perfect Edition rather than the vanilla game alone instead of complaining literally all the time. Ecstasy has no "missing" content that's worth the effort of a patch and if it's just the H you want, then wank off to something else.
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