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Primus Palus 2013년 6월 18일 오후 7시 27분
Russian Developer Bias...
I love this game... played hours and hours of it. Been in the testing for it for months. It truly is an amazing game. The downfall? The Russian developers clearly have a MASSIVE bias over their Russian planes.

Let's be frank... historically speaking the Russian planes were crap. The best? British or German. Followed by the Americans and Japanese. The Russians DOMINATED on the ground in their tanks. That's the point where they should be favored, not in the air.

Instead you have the LumberYaks:

http://youtu.be/IJ5dbWT4XUw
http://youtu.be/UpvGcZZ0mUE

They litterally can defy gravity and physics, take almost NO damage when shot at (if they do take damage, they continue to fly as if nothing happened)... they are what the forum community calls UFO's.

But the developers have written off the complaints and ignore anyone who mentions it. Going so far as to ban players who bring it up. The LAGG has now been given the same treatment in this latest patch.

It's now gotten to the point where people are having to go Russian just to keep up. I fly strictly American and never anything else. I will never fly Russian or German because I enjoy American planes (historically speaking).

Wake up developers! You're going to lose people to this. Once they start picking up on it and refuse to fly them, they'll eventually quit. Games like this aren't supposed to be "if you can't beat them join them". This should be, "fly what you like without any major advantages over every other nation". It should be a SKILL based game. Not based on the nation you choose.
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Igruman 2013년 6월 22일 오후 9시 16분 
"Russian planes were crap" - Did you fly on rus planes in WW2, or your grandfather fly on them? - No! And why are you talking that? Or maybe your historical books or experts said, that it was crap planes - I think so. Maybe you must read memoirs of German pilots of WW2, what are they say about LAs or Yaks...

You said, that trere are a lot of rus UFO... so what can u tell me abot F4U-a/d/c or P63-A10... hmmm let me guess... "it is not UFOs - it is a good planes, I`m american patriot - our planes are best... bla bla bla..."

Its just an open Beta, not relise! All fly models will be historical as they was, but we must wait the relise.

P.s - sorry for my bad english, I`m not from eng speaking country.
Joikax 2013년 6월 23일 오후 4시 47분 
@wintertiger28 I bet you are russian. Otherwise you wouldnt be speaking like that.
Russian planes are clearly fishy in relation to other nations. EX: climb rate, toughness, armament, turn time, and so on and so on.

Corsairs and P63 are no UFOs, not even close, but they are suffering from underperformance in comparison to real life, same as for many american planes. Most common example: the P38G which is supposed to be a beast at turning and in speed. well guess what, it is absolutelly crap. Any plane can catch up to it and it cant outmaneuver anyone or turn decently enough to get a good shot on someone.

It is said that the yaks were actually somewhat good at turning, but lets face it: THEY WERE BUILT WITH WOOOOOOOOD!!!. Anything can destroy them in a few bullets or set them on fire. And that is something you dont see happening.

You shoot them countless times and they are just yawning at you like if you had baby guns. but let them shoot a single 7.7mm MG bullet into you and your plane gets all screwed. As for their 20mm and 37mm cannons... not even gonna bother to talk about those.

Appart from all this, the game is still loads of fun and its not these stupid ruskie planes that are going to bother anyone's gameplay or fun either. Sure it can ♥♥♥♥ you off sometimes and it is true that many people now go for russian line because of the characteristics I refered... but the game is still VERY enjoyable nevertheless.

Oh and the economy and everything else is just fine, dont listen to people saying that this game is going to die, because it isnt.
Avallac 2013년 6월 24일 오전 1시 13분 
Good job op, posting and ancient video from back when yaks had unfinished damage models. Must be a WG spy.
Igruman 2013년 6월 24일 오전 8시 04분 
Avallac님이 먼저 게시:
Good job op, posting and ancient video from back when yaks had unfinished damage models. Must be a WG spy.
Agree) Super american pilots... just wait for relise, and all will be on the right places) ru planes will on their place, amer and others will be on theirs places too. I just want balance, and not UFOs.
Joikax, u can tell everithing u want, but Cobra A10 and corsairs d/c - are UFOs in the patch 1.31.35. Just look how many they are in battles...
superman_169{VB*C} 2013년 6월 24일 오전 10시 24분 
WHOA, the P-51 was the BEST PLANE IN WORLD WAR TWO. and wait, what was that, THE AMERICANS BUILT IT!!!! AmeriCAH!
Igruman 2013년 6월 24일 오전 11시 34분 
Yankee troll go home! Discovery channel said that to you, hmm?)
If you did`t know: Ivan Kojedub on La-7 had shot down 2 P51 mustangs in one fight. They said, that they thought it was FW190 with a red nose, when they excuses.
Primus Palus 2013년 6월 24일 오후 4시 29분 
1. The videos aren't old. The models for the Russian planes haven't been changed since those videos were created two patches back. The LA-5 was however made more OP since then and rival the Yaks now.

2. If you're familiar with history at all, which clearly many of you are not... you would have more educated responses than the "derp America" comments. This isn't an argument on "America vs Russian" in the game... it's about Russian being unrealistically overpowered by a Russian developer who BANS players for even mentioning it on the forums.

If it were me, and unfortunately it's not... I'd design the planes to be as close to realistic as possible in full real, then modify them in arcade to be even across the same tiers for the nations. Same weapons, same damages, etc. But not even that is happening right now.
superman_169{VB*C} 2013년 6월 24일 오후 4시 42분 
pish posh
Igruman 2013년 6월 24일 오후 10시 33분 
Ok, my american friends ;-) You are funny in your ignorance... but don`t mind))
Here is my short video from 1.31.35.1 La-5 Vs F4U-d Corsair.
Its replay from Historical battle "Korea" map:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbgZazqyUu0

Why heavy corsair (22 sec/turn) has the same time of maneuver as La (19 sec/turn)? And its low altitude, where La`s was the best in turns?
I'm tired of arguing with you. Let's wait for the final game version... This is a beta test!
Primus Palus 2013년 6월 25일 오전 8시 34분 
19s vs 22s isn't a ridiculous amount. That's fairly close and reasonable that they would appear to be similar speeds. But in testing, I've found very few planes that actually match the speeds they show listed.

As for that video... all I see is a pilot who clearly doesn't know how to turn properly. He's climbing and diving over and over instead of manipulating speed. You don't climb and dive in a circle like that.

As for arguing... I have yet to see anything of substance presented to counter the bias claim. It's been made very clear and the response from the devs is clear (with the deleting of threads and banning of players).

For it being a beta test is irrelevant. Why? Because when it's brought up, they refuse to accept it as a problem. They clearly want their nations planes to be good, because that's their nation. I imagine they enjoy flying them when they ever get the chance to play. I've not seen anything from them to state otherwise... so I have to come to that conclusion.
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superman_169{VB*C} 2013년 6월 25일 오전 8시 34분 
Russian ignorance at its finest!!!
Igruman 2013년 6월 25일 오전 9시 15분 
Primus Palus, what is your nick in game? My is "Igruman". You can write to me at any time, and we can fly together. We can fight each other in trainig room. I will be on F4U d or P63 A10 and you will be on LA5 FN for example...
roundwaffles 2013년 6월 25일 오후 6시 16분 
the bias is not reallybias at all. Its the teams not being able to communicate. There are seperate teams working on the russian planes than the others hence not working together so balancing becomes an issue. This is so because the Russian team is clearted to view otherwise classified documents on russian aircraft and cannot speak of them to the other team. Its hard to balance your work with somthing you have no clue about. Also the language barrier of the 2 teams makes developpment hard. wintertiger wtf.

You been living under a rock because the russian were super OP. Maybe not in real life but ingame they were too good. idk when you showed up but in 1.27 they were so bad!!! I was certain aircraft not all of them. The more advanced fighters were tanking all the other planes. So talk sense or shut up you look bad making those invalid false comments
superman_169{VB*C} 2013년 6월 25일 오후 7시 08분 
amen
Primus Palus 2013년 6월 25일 오후 8시 06분 
Braveheart4870님이 먼저 게시:
the bias is not reallybias at all. Its the teams not being able to communicate. There are seperate teams working on the russian planes than the others hence not working together so balancing becomes an issue. This is so because the Russian team is clearted to view otherwise classified documents on russian aircraft and cannot speak of them to the other team. Its hard to balance your work with somthing you have no clue about. Also the language barrier of the 2 teams makes developpment hard. wintertiger wtf.

You been living under a rock because the russian were super OP. Maybe not in real life but ingame they were too good. idk when you showed up but in 1.27 they were so bad!!! I was certain aircraft not all of them. The more advanced fighters were tanking all the other planes. So talk sense or shut up you look bad making those invalid false comments

I still don't believe that excuse of teams working on different planes. It makes no sense that they wouldn't have made sure everything was as solid as could be before pushing it live. I had heard that being said, but never found an official source. Only a comment from a forum user which led to another user, and so on. A, "I heard it from a guy, who heard it from a guy, who heard it from the dev" kind of thing. The fact that you bring it up and get the topic deleted as opposed to, "We are aware of the situation and are dealing with it, thanks" is fishy.

But the solution shouldn't have taken this long to resolve. I've been testing this game for many months now. They've always been OP. They should have been able to get them on level playing fields by now.
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