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Personally, I've given up on voting on Greenlight games. No offense to any of the developers trying to push their games through, but it's such an enormously flawed system that I don't see it as worth anyone's time, including both developers and gamers.
Acctually you know what? I'm more interested in what you thought Greenlight was supposed to be. I'm suspecting you have no idea what it was intended to be and dreamed up your own explanation of what Greenlight is trying toacomplish..
Like you say, I'm not sure what they were expecting Greenlight to be but 2point4 is clearly wrong about their claims and I suspect Slur is just posting flamebait for responses.
Gabe Newell and other higher-ups at Valve have mentioned how the future of Steam is being groomed to become more of a user-curated shop. Of course that can't happen right this minute because there is much planning involved in a system like that. And I'm not arguing that it isn't happening fast enough, but Greenlight, to me, seems like a way to appease developers who've felt slighted by the old submission process where most games would be turned down. What my argument is is that Greenlight never should have existed in the first place. Really, it's not terrible if it has resulted in you getting your game up on Steam, right? That was your goal and it has come to be. I'm extremely happy for those developers who've found success in the platform.
For everyone else, it's just a carrot-on-a-stick. Instead of Greenlight, Valve could have just worked on the user-curated thing from the beginning. In fact, once that comes to fruition, where does that leave Greenlight? Gone, pretty much. There would be no need for it. So to have Greenlight be this stopgap on the way to a user-curated storefront, it is downright frustrating for everyone not getting through, for whatever reasons. And on top of all that, Valve is extremely uncommunicative when it comes to...well...pretty much every aspect of Steam.
So at the end of the day, how has Greenlight improved Steam in the slightest? People like to say how Greenlight was just a way for Valve to push their work off on to the users, but I disagree with that notion. Valve still needs to vet each submission for release. They may not playtest these titles, but they still need to do a fair amount of legwork to ensure these titles are what they say they are.
As far as the stress-test aspect of these recent hundred greenlights...stress-test of what? Valve is nearly completely finished moving over their CDN to a more robust solution and every new release since like a year ago has been on it anyway. And the new CDN (Steampipe) has really and truly improved delivery quality of purchases made on Steam. So is it a stress-test of that? I hope not, because it's been stress-tested for at least the last year now, generally whenever a TF2 or Dota 2 update is released. Or did they mean an internal stress-test of how well their employees can handle releasing 100 titles all at the same time? Maybe someone could clarify that for me a little more because the comment makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
I wasn't trying to troll anyone in my response, it's just how I feel about Greenlight. I'm also not one of the many frustrated developers trying to push their game through. I am just a regular user of Steam with, usually, unpopular opinions. I won't be responding to any further posts in this thread; I just wanted to share my thoughts on the catastrophe that is Greenlight. Since some felt I was just trolling, I felt it necessary to clear that up and state my case a little better.
I didn't like Greenlight either because none of my games were ever greenlit but with the 100 games greenlit and many of my wanted games passed, I can admit that I like it better now.
It's a stress test of many things, most of which aren't visible to the public and perhaps not even to third party Steamworks developers (the following is not a comprehensive list):
There's lots more and most of it is pretty mundane stuff. Some of the systems were badly in need of upgrades and had existed since Steam first started. These systems were patched over the years, but not fully upgraded to handle the type of scale we are talking about here. We're spending the time now to upgrade it all.
Releasing a game on Steam used to take way more work on the Valve side than was necessary. So we have to take all those internal tools with all their idiosyncrasies that internal Valve employees have lived with (e.g. imagine entering 32 bit ids into text fields that aren't validated and now having to build UI that prevents fat fingering) and polish them up so that third party developers can easily use them. And of course we've had to build new tools as well.
If I can make a request while I have your attention...
I know this isn't the type of stuff to go in a press release, but when vague and general "stress-test" type statements are printed like that, could Valve also, going forward, post a more in-depth description of the finer points like this in maybe a thread here on SCUD? Obviously this is a lot of info to take in and definitely isn't suitable for a press release but for those of us that love reading up on the meat of what really goes into an update, information like this is golden.
Again, thanks for elaborating on that for me.
Is this sudden influx of games a one-time thing, or will we be seeing more games pass through Greenlight now that the technology has improved on Steam?
Usually that sort of information is pretty uninteresting to the majority of people, especially for features that are not publicly visible (e.g. I'm pretty sure people don't want to read the changes notes on me optimizing the search index for users on our partner site, or that someone added a list of recently visited app pages to the main home page for users). It also takes time to compile and put in a form that can be digested externally and can invite more discussion, which also takes time. I'm happy to elaborate if there's confusion or misinformation, but it does take time away from development. Especially if the audience for this information is small, it's hard to weigh the time and effort spent doing this sort of communication versus actually building things.
I understand that it may be hard to trust us or get past the cynicism surrounding Greenlight, but we truly are trying to build a system that reduces the bottleneck for putting games on Steam. So while you may not know the details behind all the things we are doing, hopefully you will be able to see the results, such as larger batches of games being Greenlit or other features that surface games you may enjoy or help us curate Greenlight, and eventually the Steam store.
As we mentioned in the "100" Greenlight blog post, we are pushing through a lot more games and software in this batch to stress test all the new stuff we built (and we've found things that need fixing already). There's no guarantee that future batch sizes will be as large, especially in the near term as we react to the feedback from all the new developers coming onboard. But the end goal is to be able to accept as many games as we want to ship, and part of getting there is being able to accept bigger batches of Greenlight titles in the near future.