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BachBreaker Jun 7 @ 8:06pm
New requirements for Greenlight [REQUEST]
Stean Greenlight is becoming a joke, no offense. Lately I've seen games that seem to have been made ​​in PowerPoint. Why did I saw them? Because the current system of Greenlight allows it. I will suggest some things that might change this situation.

Worked graphics.

I know that graphics aren't all in a game but we're in 2014 and they simply cannot be ignored.

What I'm going is that graphics should be detailed in the area where they are. If it is a 3D game with realistic or serious style the graphics have to be like that, realistic and serious. If it is a 3D game with comic-style the graphics have to be detailed in this area. If it is a 2D game with humorous style graphics, graphics must be oriented as much as possible in this area. If it is a 2D game with serious style, the graphics have to be detailed.

Good examples:

- Death to Spies 3

- Combat Core

- Soul Gambler

- Shan Gui

Bad examples:

- Spectrum

- Demigods

- Elemental Conflict

- WORC

Well-developed concept.

No matter if the concept is repeated or not, the important thing is to be clear. I've seen games that do not even know what they want to be, they have different game styles but not well developed at all. The important thing is that the game has a well-developed concept, either gameplay, story, etc.

Good examples:

- Project Awakened

- Beyond Flesh and Blood

- Bermuda

- The Horror at MS Aurora

Bad examples:

- Dysan the Shapeshifter (Yeah, it was released on Steam...)

- The Hit

- 60 Tons

- The Tide

Good presentation.

For a better order you should have certain requirements regarding the presentation of the game: A well done title, I have seen some that are just a bunch of random words put together. A number of images at a minimum, there shouldn't be limits to the maximum. At least one video, either development, gameplay, technical demonstration, etc. This will also serve to avoid trolls in Greenlight.

Good examples:

- Unhack

- The Patient

- Effing Dead

- Creepy Lessons

Bad examples:

- World War II: Heroes of Valor

- Nth Power

- Geimstart149

- Word Solitaire

*All this should be applied to the games released on Steam too.

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I am doing this in order to avoid finding these things again:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=234706195

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=258775304

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=222281612

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=196320103

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=259955850

*Pages 40 to 70 in the concepts of Steam Greenlight.

I'd like to know what you say on the subject, if you have any criticism or suggestion, please say it. Thank you.

PD: I'll add more points later.
Last edited by BachBreaker; Jun 12 @ 9:07pm
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Georjack Jun 7 @ 8:45pm 
1+ for this. Indeed, many posts from GreenLight, they're crap or poorly presented and meaningless games. One idea would be for someone to approve posting of GreenLight, I mean that would be great if someone would check if the post is a joke or not.
BachBreaker Jun 7 @ 9:11pm 
That's what I'm thinking about. Thanks for your comment.
Last edited by BachBreaker; Jun 7 @ 9:11pm
Gorlom[Swe] Jun 7 @ 11:34pm 
Originally posted by BachBreaker:
Stean Greenlight is becoming a joke, no offense. Lately I've seen games that seem to have been made ​​in PowerPoint. Why did I saw them? Because the current system of Greenlight allows it. I will suggest some things that might change this situation.
Seen where? in the que or games that has gotten greenlit?

The whole point of greenlight is that there are no selection prior to greenlight. That noone that owns their submission is denied to post (assuming it does not violate some other policy)

Worked graphics.

I know that graphics aren't all in a game but we're in 2014 and they simply cannot be ignored.

What I'm going is that graphics should be detailed in the area where they are. If it is a 3D game with realistic or serious style the graphics have to be like that, realistic and serious. If it is a 3D game with comic-style the graphics have to be detailed in this area. If it is a 2D game with humorous style graphics, graphics must be oriented as much as possible in this area. If it is a 2D game with serious style, the graphics have to be detailed.

Well developed concept.

No matter if the concept is repeated or not, the important thing is to be clear. I've seen games that do not even know what they want to be, they have different game styles but not well developed at all.

Good presentation.

For a better order you should have certain requirements regarding the presentation of the game: A well done title, I have seen some that are just a bunch of random words put together. A number of images at a minimum, there shouldn't be limits to the maximum. At least one video, either development, gameplay, technical demonstration, etc. This will also serve to avoid trolls in Greenlight.

*All this should be applied to the games released on Steam too.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am doing this in order to avoid finding these things again:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=234706195

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=258775304

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=222281612

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=196320103

*Pages 40 to 70 in the concepts of Steam Greenlight.

I'd like to know what you say on the subject, if you have any criticism or suggestion, please say it. Thank you.

PD: I'll add more points later.

.... Those are games in the concept section... They aren't even possible to vote on?

For the obvious misuse of the concept section and submission of other peoples property just report the game and move on. for the crap entrys just suck it up, it's the concept section.
Gorlom[Swe] Jun 7 @ 11:35pm 
Originally posted by Georjack:
1+ for this. Indeed, many posts from GreenLight, they're crap or poorly presented and meaningless games. One idea would be for someone to approve posting of GreenLight, I mean that would be great if someone would check if the post is a joke or not.
The whole point of Greenlight is that noone does what you just said.
Mr.Mc Jun 8 @ 12:32am 
lol
Sera Jun 8 @ 2:10am 
To be fair, and to use a bit of what Gorlom said. Greenlight doesn't stand on a single being's opinions... It's all of us making a difference or not at all. Valve only choose what is greenlit based on what is top voted on. Their only interference is if an entry is legit or not and they will remove what breaks the rules or such.
Skoardy Jun 8 @ 3:10am 
To recap, you want Valve to pre-judge everything by somehow knowing what your standards and preferences are, making sure that games others might like to purchase never even make it to Greenlight in the first place. So the first part of your 'issue' is your standard basic misunderstanding as to the point of Greenlight.

And to prove how right you are, you've cherry-picked some pages from Greenlight Concepts. Pages of projects that will likely never be submitted to Greenlight to be voted on and if they were, likely never be voted on to go to Steam. Like Gorlom says, if any Concepts project break the rules (and that's proper rules, not just your 'I don't like this' rules), report them.
C0untzer0 Jun 8 @ 3:37am 
You know that a dust filter is supposed to accumulate dust, right?
That's not a sign of failure at all.
BachBreaker Jun 8 @ 10:47am 
I would start by saying that I have given points are nothing more than suggestions, I never said that Greenlight should be based entirely on this. There has entered a lot of crap lately thanks to Greenlight, there are games that should not even have been presented, The Impossible Game, for example, is one of those games that one finds in Miniclip, however the game was released on Steam ... I don't understand what that means. Steam is supposed to be a professional platform run by professional people who create AAA games, but as I said, a lot of trash entered by Greenlight, and there seem to be people who don't mind that. Maybe some games presented in Greenlight are just a concepts, but that does not mean you can present an image made ​​in paint.

Nevertheless I agree with what Sera said, we can not base us in the opinion of a single person. That's why I called my points "suggestions".
Last edited by BachBreaker; Jun 8 @ 11:30am
C0untzer0 Jun 8 @ 11:07am 
1. You do realise that crap is nothing new, right? http://store.steampowered.com/app/109500
http://store.steampowered.com/app/12430
http://store.steampowered.com/app/36210
http://store.steampowered.com/app/32000
Just because you now see how it gets there doesn't mean it's suddenly coming out of nowhere.
2. The impossible game was one of the most popular games in the world, with sales peaking at around 1750 copies a day and consistently selling over 5 years, it's not surprising that it got a lot of votes.
3. Your choice of games that have not and will not pass through Greenlight, (in fact aren't even available to vote on) as examples, and your statement

Originally posted by BachBreaker:
Maybe the game presented in Greenlight is just a concept, but that does not mean you can present an image made ​​in paint.
Shows quite clearly that you don't understand the process which you are criticising.
Last edited by C0untzer0; Jun 8 @ 12:33pm
BachBreaker Jun 8 @ 11:31am 
1- Although this has nothing to do with what we are talking here I know this is nothing new, and many other people too, that's why Greenlight has been a point of controversy since its opening.

2- Let me ask you something, does that change the fact that The Impossible Game is a flash game? No, right?

3- I modified that statement to a better understanding. I guess there is no problem now.
Last edited by BachBreaker; Jun 8 @ 11:43am
C0untzer0 Jun 8 @ 11:36am 
1. So crap selected by the public is worse than crap selected by people who should know better?
2. Let me ask you something: Does the fact that it was made in Flash mean that it was less enjoyable to the people who played it?
3. You still don't seem to understand the point of the concepts sectioin, It's possible that you never will.
BachBreaker Jun 8 @ 11:50am 
1- ?

2- No, but the game is still made ​​with Flash.

3- It seems that you are just coming out of context. Ok, you say I don't understand, then explain it to me, you, sir, you, that understand everything, what did I miss? Because saying things like "do not understand" or "don't know what you say" do not explain anything.
Skoardy Jun 8 @ 11:55am 
If you don't know the difference between the regular Greenlight section and the Concepts section, your points stand on very shaky ground. Also, the fact that you're turning your nose up at a popular game simply because of its origins just paints you as a games snob rather than suggesting there's any problem with Greenlight.
BachBreaker Jun 8 @ 12:12pm 
Well, Mr.- If you didn't realize I was talking about the two, Greenlight and concepts, you have not believed that I would miss a detail like that, right?

The fact that the game has been released on Steam is a Greenlight's problem indeed, since it was published there. It also was just an example, like C0untzer0 gave.
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