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Why we don't close DDoS'd matches
Firstly, I really, really do understand the frustration behind any DDoS'd match!

However, we've really put a lot of thought into all of our rules.

So, let me explain....

If we close any match that has any form of DDoS - all that would happen is:

From a DDoS'ers prospective:

Step 1) Bet team A
Step 2) Watch game and if team A start losing, DDoS match
Step 3) Get Skins back
Step 4) Repeat

Or

Step 1) Bet team A
Step 2) Make sure team A win
Step 3) Win skins
Step 4) Repeat

So, what we've instead tried to enforce is that it's up to the players to try reschedule the match or focus on getting better protection. As CS:GO becomes more and more popular, this is really important. The answer isn't for us to "respect" the DDoS'er and try make rules around matches being DDoS'd - but to simply make rules that makes DDoS'ing irrelevant... in terms of betting/skins.

We aren't "letting the DDoS'ers win" - if we closed every match that was DDoS'd - probably 90% of games would be closed because this would PROMOTE DDoSing if we returned skins of every match was DDoS'd. And no progress would be made, what-so-ever.

Instead, we're encouraging the players to get better protection... this is the only way forward. Once players have better protection, everyone will be happy. If we accomodate to DDoS'ing, nothing changes! We understand it isn't that easy to get fail-safe protection, which is why we have the rule of: Any match can be postponed for upto ~3days!


As our rules state: If a match is DDoS'd we'll allow locking the bet for up to 80 hours (giving the players ~3days to reschedule) Or, if the players have chosen to play 4v5 (or x v x) we still keep the bet open.

We're basically trying to make rules which would create the premise of it being pointless to DDoS a match - because teams would just postpone the match and/or play it offline!

If we accomodate to DDoS'd matches, i.e close them and return skins, etc all that's doing is promoting DDoS'ing - as anyone who is losing skins on a match would just DDoS it... knowing D2L will close the match and return their skins.

I hope this is understandable.... No one seems to be thinking about our rules from every perspective - only the one that directly affects them!

In terms of matches that are unable to be rescheduled: We may not add these matches in the future.

TL:DR The solution isn't to close DDoS'd matches, it's get better protection/reschedule matches. And, we feel our rules are pretty solid/logical - please stop raging at them without thinking about them from every perspective.


Thanks,

Dota2Lounge Staff...
Last edited by BlackBurn #22.5; Mar 8, 2015 @ 5:14am
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Ninja Seven Mar 9, 2015 @ 5:03am 
Thanks for the Post. And 100% agree
DonnA #<3 Mar 9, 2015 @ 10:53pm 
now the problem is bot ... almost 3rd day already my item cant get in d2l always say you are in queue but i am not... plss check this problem pls i really need to return the item i borrow to a friend...
DonkayPunch Mar 10, 2015 @ 7:18pm 
Yeah if Dota2Lounge/CounterStrikeGoLounge just keep closing matches that get DDOSed then that just encourages DDOS to happen because they know they can get their bets refunded by doing so. By keeping the match bets open and valid then this means that DDOSing the match makes no difference for bets and this discourages DDOSing from the bet perspective. +1 to this post
www.dotacraze.com Mar 12, 2015 @ 1:53pm 
You are forgeting about matches like Secret vs Duza and Duza vs M5. Secret are 10 levels over duza and managed to win 3v5 but M5 stood no chance 3v5 and this is completely bullshit.

Random retards bet big on low % teams and DDos their opponents. We were close to having no Secret to starladder but instead having a shit tier 5 Duza team there.

It happened again today and will keep hapening.
Nick Wilde Mar 12, 2015 @ 2:04pm 
About duza vs m5: i lost 140$, why? Its easy. M5 should win first match with great domination, but core-SF from mid just ddosed and dropped from match. Next 20 mins Dusa trying to win 5x4 and doing it. Then round2. M5 got full mapcontrol with stats like 17-5, but first core-offlane hero Batrider was dropped as sf from first match, then core-mid hero was dropped too. Awesome. And M5 played 3x5 all game. Sry for my english madskill, but what a hell? I didnt bet on team with 3 players, and i quite sure about 2-0 in favor of M5 if they could play 5x5. This can be checked when viewing replays. So why i lost my money?
28 Mar 12, 2015 @ 2:05pm 
Dear d2l, do you understand that by NOT cancelling you encourage ddos too? If these ppl get their skins keys or whatever else they get, why shouldn't they do it again?
28 Mar 12, 2015 @ 2:06pm 
Originally posted by timetofarm:
About duza vs m5: i lost 140$, why? Its easy. M5 should win first match with great domination, but core-SF from mid just ddosed and dropped from match. Next 20 mins Dusa trying to win 5x4 and doing it. Then round2. M5 got full mapcontrol with stats like 17-5, but first core-offlane hero Batrider was dropped as sf from first match, then core-mid hero was dropped too. Awesome. And M5 played 3x5 all game. Sry for my english madskill, but what a hell? I didnt bet on team with 3 players, and i quite sure about 2-0 in favor of M5 if they could play 5x5. This can be checked when viewing replays. So why i lost my money?
you are absolutely right. This is frustrating.
Nick Wilde Mar 12, 2015 @ 2:10pm 
Btw, proof: https://pp.vk.me/c622323/v622323819/24e43/tQuos1dF2RA.jpg
After that moment zeus was dropped too.
28 Mar 12, 2015 @ 2:22pm 
Originally posted by DonkayPunch:
By keeping the match bets open and valid then this means that DDOSing the match makes no difference for bets and this discourages DDOSing from the bet perspective. +1 to this post
That's what we call flawless logic. lmao. Legit shit.
minys25 Mar 12, 2015 @ 2:29pm 
I lost $ 40 because they have played 5 vs. 3. It's not fair
Last edited by minys25; Mar 12, 2015 @ 2:29pm
minys25 Mar 12, 2015 @ 2:30pm 
Originally posted by timetofarm:
About duza vs m5: i lost 140$, why? Its easy. M5 should win first match with great domination, but core-SF from mid just ddosed and dropped from match. Next 20 mins Dusa trying to win 5x4 and doing it. Then round2. M5 got full mapcontrol with stats like 17-5, but first core-offlane hero Batrider was dropped as sf from first match, then core-mid hero was dropped too. Awesome. And M5 played 3x5 all game. Sry for my english madskill, but what a hell? I didnt bet on team with 3 players, and i quite sure about 2-0 in favor of M5 if they could play 5x5. This can be checked when viewing replays. So why i lost my money?
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Matty -Z- Mar 12, 2015 @ 5:28pm 
Enough crying now, the rules were set and is up to you to follow them and bet on the games under your own risk

No one want these games to get ddosed, it makes it hard for everyone. You can only blame the people that do it. I know it sounds unfair that it leaves teams with uneven numbers to carry out a game etc but you just have to accept the fact and keep going, unless a game admin offically announce that a game will be postponed, nothing can be done and the bets will remain open until the game has ended.
Last edited by Matty -Z-; Mar 12, 2015 @ 9:21pm
Lewbot Mar 12, 2015 @ 7:43pm 
Originally posted by Matty:
Enough crying now

Calling out bullshit "rules" with little logic behind them is crying now? Well done encouraging DDOS with your policies ^_^
Matty -Z- Mar 12, 2015 @ 8:45pm 
^ Bai
✪ DArkX Mar 13, 2015 @ 12:18am 
That's true..
DUZA Ddosed M5 and made them play 5v4 and even 5v3 on the second game..
I lost 26$ cuz of that..
YOU MUST RETURN OUR ITEMS.
THATS NOT FAIR!
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