Byron8899 Aug 24 @ 11:24pm
Are gaming industries becoming mad?
I heard news about corruption and harassment for the gaming industries. Reviewtechusa made a 30 min video and it's quite shocking to hear. Do you think this would affect not only us but also hurt other gaming industries as well?

Here is the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV_8RHSyS14
(there is some profanity in this video and I don't know if there is a way to filter it. Mods, remove it if this is against the rules)

What are you thoughts about this?
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Dendrobates Tinctorius Aug 25 @ 12:04am 
Originally posted by Byron8899:
What are you thoughts about this?
Why did you post a 30 minute video of far cry 3?
armedready Aug 25 @ 12:19am 
I won't say mad but they do things that they know will ♥♥♥♥ off the fans
Spencer Aug 25 @ 2:00am 
Well its become very corrupt that's for certain.
and i'm sure internet aristocrat makes the case better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M&list=UUWB0dvorHvkQlgfGGJR2yxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmy5OKg6lo

*edit I watched the ops video, its got mundane matt, the guy who sparked this when quinn false dmca'd him to suppress information. Also informative.

This rot within the games industry has been happening for a while, and its sad that we've let them kick us around for so long. Long ago games journalists had the problem of having to rely on one sole source of funding, game companies funded game magazines through advertising, so the lines were already very dubious, how hard can you slam a game when that company pays for your life.

Now its become a lot worse because with the advent of internet "journalism", its become infected by social justice warriors and the gawker mentality. Gawker and such sites rely on link bait tabloid journalism, basically they troll the internet for clicks, the more they bait, the more money they make. Gawker owns kotaku, so this type of thing has become the norm. One way they found to bait us was by smearing all gamers as misogynistic, it was the narrative they just kept telling over and over again, and since the games media has become so insular and corrupt and connected, they control the narrative.
Imagine for a second a reality where fox news is almost every channel, abc and nbc and cnn are all ideological buddies with fox. Thats the games media industry today. Now imagine if they started a campaign where any criticism of Sarah Palin was simply dismissed as misogyny, and every outlet would reinforce this message, pointing to some random harassment comment as reason to promote her victimhood and dodge any legitimate criticism each and every time. Now take it a step further and have all these media groups enact mass censorship, deleting comments, banning people en masse, having allies in other media like reddit also do their bidding, and that's what you have in games media today.
These people abuse their power, and they do have plenty of power because they control the bully pulpit, they control access. If they don't' want a story out there, they suppress it to the point where other outlets are fearful of even dealing with this issue. Doesn't matter if your site agrees with them or not, the threat of losing connections and access is a real thing, and abused to the hilt, these connections shouldn't exist because journalists are supposed to be independent, they aren't supposed to be in bed with the people or industries they talk about.
And so we have our current mess, where answer to every criticism is "misogynist say what?" And we as gamers have allowed this to happen for way too long. These people don't mean what they say, they don't believe in their own principles. When you see these people rush to "protect the damsel", just realize its no different than when a soccer player "takes a dive", falling over grabbing their knee in pain in front of a referee when nothing happened. Its just not genuine and we should stop letting these people pretend it is. These people are constantly moralizing, constantly smearing the community as degenerates when its clear they don't actually hold themselves to any standards of ethics of journalistic integrity, this all really has to stop.
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Fork_Q2 Aug 25 @ 2:15am 
Nihil novi sub sole.

Video games journalism has always been a joke. But hey, internet trolls want their new witch-hunt, "bread and circuses" and all that.
MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ Aug 25 @ 2:17am 
Originally posted by Fork_Q2:
Nihil novi sub sole.

Video games journalism has always been a joke. But hey, internet trolls want their new witch-hunt, "bread and circuses" and all that.

Its not a witch hunt, its a deliberate campaign of smearing gamers for the last few years, add to that the unethical behavior of relationships with conflicts of interests and a general culture lacking in intellectual integrity or any kind of integrity and you have this mess.
Fork_Q2 Aug 25 @ 2:19am 
Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:
Originally posted by Fork_Q2:
Nihil novi sub sole.

Video games journalism has always been a joke. But hey, internet trolls want their new witch-hunt, "bread and circuses" and all that.

Its not a witch hunt

Yes it is.

its a deliberate campaign of smearing gamers for the last few years

No it isn't.

unethical behavior of relationships with conflicts of interests and a general culture lacking in intellectual integrity or any kind of integrity and you have this mess

It's still unclear in what way did Nathan Grayson promote this game of hers, if at all. Yes, the relationship was unethical, but like I said: Nihil novi sub sole, video game journalism is a joke, and always has been.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kane_%26_Lynch:_Dead_Men#GameSpot_controversy
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MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ Aug 25 @ 2:22am 
Originally posted by Fork_Q2:
Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Its not a witch hunt

Yes it is.

Thanks for providing proof of the mindset.
Fork_Q2 Aug 25 @ 2:24am 
Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:
Originally posted by Fork_Q2:

Yes it is.

Thanks for providing proof of the mindset.

It's not proof of "anything", but a sordid affair which all parties involved (SWJ, MRAs, Quinn, journalist, her boss etc) simply made idiots of themselves on the internet.
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Gus the Crocodile Aug 25 @ 2:24am 
Really liking Brendan Keogh's blog[ungaming.tumblr.com] on this stuff at the moment. Whole thing is disgusting conspiracy theory nonsense. Even ignoring the massive outpouring of the most vicious hate, we have people happy to slag off an entire profession and treating some angry rant as gospel, complaining about integrity and ethics.
MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ Aug 25 @ 2:35am 
Originally posted by Fork_Q2:
Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Thanks for providing proof of the mindset.

It's not proof of "anything", but a sordid affair which all parties involved (SWJ, MRAs, Quinn, journalist, her boss etc) simply made idiots of themselves on the internet.

Its proof of the intellectually lazy mindset which has allowed this problem to fester.

In other circles this tactic of the social justice warrior professional victim act has failed.

Proof? Remember Suey Park? She tried the exact same tactics with Stephen Colbert, but people called her on her ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and there were not as many people like you making excuses or just dismissing things, and so she faded away into obscurity where she belongs. But thanks to people like you, in gaming we have apologists and the rest who allow this cancer to spread.
Fork_Q2 Aug 25 @ 2:38am 
Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:
Originally posted by Fork_Q2:

It's not proof of "anything", but a sordid affair which all parties involved (SWJ, MRAs, Quinn, journalist, her boss etc) simply made idiots of themselves on the internet.

Its proof of the intellectually lazy mindset which has allowed this problem to fester.

It's proof that people have affairs with each other.

Proof? Remember Suey Park?

No.
MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ Aug 25 @ 2:38am 
Originally posted by Gus the Crocodile:
Really liking Brendan Keogh's blog[ungaming.tumblr.com] on this stuff at the moment. Whole thing is disgusting conspiracy theory nonsense. Even ignoring the massive outpouring of the most vicious hate, we have people happy to slag off an entire profession and treating some angry rant as gospel, complaining about integrity and ethics.

"but, to these people, it is their privileged position being brought down a notch so all they see is conspiracies, "

What apologist nonsense, his response boils down to the "check your priviledge" answer of Suey Park.

and fork, I'm not replying to you anymore, I've seen you do this before, go find someone else to troll.
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Fork_Q2 Aug 25 @ 2:44am 
Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:
and fork, I'm not replying to you anymore, I've seen you do this before, go find someone else to troll.

That's like the third or forth time you said exactly that now. Have fun entertaining your conspiracy fantasies.
Gustave5436 Aug 25 @ 6:59pm 
Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:
What apologist nonsense, his response boils down to the "check your priviledge" answer of Suey Park.
Continue a bit further:
There are criticisms to be made of mainstream games journalism that are synonymous with the ones these people are making, but they are about press being flown across the world and put up in fancy hotels to go to Ubisoft press events. They are not about a single indie developer maybe sleeping with a journalist who didn’t even write a review of her free game. But these people wouldn’t dare go after a triple-a game because those are exactly the games they want to play. They want the status-quo.
The lack of coverage isn’t because everyone knows each other. It’s because mainstream games journalism, as loathe as it is to admit it, is primarily propped by this mainstream ‘gamer’ audience that it nurtures. Their main readership is the exact type of self-important gamer ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag that needs to see conspiracies in games journalism. These trolls are scared of the games journalism boat being rocked, and the games journalism editors are afraid of rocking that boat. So instead of adamantly written editorials decrying the harassment, we get silence and a “oh this is sad” on twitter.
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Spencer Aug 25 @ 7:23pm 
Originally posted by Gustave5436:
Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:
What apologist nonsense, his response boils down to the "check your priviledge" answer of Suey Park.
Continue a bit further:
There are criticisms to be made of mainstream games journalism that are synonymous with the ones these people are making, but they are about press being flown across the world and put up in fancy hotels to go to Ubisoft press events. They are not about a single indie developer maybe sleeping with a journalist who didn’t even write a review of her free game. But these people wouldn’t dare go after a triple-a game because those are exactly the games they want to play. They want the status-quo.
The lack of coverage isn’t because everyone knows each other. It’s because mainstream games journalism, as loathe as it is to admit it, is primarily propped by this mainstream ‘gamer’ audience that it nurtures. Their main readership is the exact type of self-important gamer ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag that needs to see conspiracies in games journalism. These trolls are scared of the games journalism boat being rocked, and the games journalism editors are afraid of rocking that boat. So instead of adamantly written editorials decrying the harassment, we get silence and a “oh this is sad” on twitter.


Yea well thats some really convoluted logic there and thats the problem. The games media are corrupt trolls because gamers are conspiracy theory trolls? What? The logic there is no better than the "check your privilege" section.

Gamers have been pointing out a deliberate campaign of protection of such people like anita sarkeesian and zoe quinn, but the games press just dismisses facts, derails with professional victimhood, smears gamers as misogynists, and then just works to suppress information. Gamers do not want this stuff, to claim they do is absurd, like claiming atheists really are responsible for the extreme nature of fundamentalist religion, the assignment of blame is ridiculous.
Journalism comes with responsibility, its why journalists are supposed to have a code of ethics. Trying to lay blame at the feet of gamers or the audience is really just not right, you are shifting blame from people with both power and responsibility.
Its like saying that if the west borough baptist church goes away it will "rock our boats" because people have a problem with that hate group. Its absurd. If the west borough baptist church goes away tomorrow, I and most everyone else will just stop thinking about them, the same way we stopped thinking about every other problematic group that has gone away. And currently there is a corrupt group in games media, when they go away, no one will miss them. There is no relationship there, there is only corruption.
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