Queen Of The Reich Jun 21, 2013 @ 3:55pm
That moment when it dawns on you...
That moment when it dawns on you that you're playing a type of game more popular with young people, but of a storyline that the older folks are more familiar with in general. I was reading through and like "WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥!? 50 Y/Os PLAY THIS?" Then I thought... "Oh wait. It's Star Trek." Anyone else go through the same thing? Anyone?
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Curs0r Jun 21, 2013 @ 5:23pm 
it's not Star Trek, it just has a lot of art that derives from Star Trek.
Darkthunder Jun 21, 2013 @ 8:56pm 
Kinda have to agree with Curs0r here. While it may look like Star Trek, and to a certain extent, feel like Star Trek, it's nowhere near what I would consider "canon" Star Trek. None of the continuity built up from the shows have been adhered to in the game (multi-era uniforms, 200+ year old ships, futuristic ships etc).

Star Trek canon already has a good indicator on how things should "look" in the 25th Century. Cryptic willfully chose to stray from that canon, in order to create their own image of canon. And for a Trek purist like me, not an image I agree with.
horrid74 Jun 21, 2013 @ 9:46pm 
It seems familiar but quite different. If you are a long time follower of the Trek universe the realization can be quite jarring. It isn't so much the greater commuinity (unless you listen to zone chat) but the state of the Federation. The shapes of the ships have been "modernized" but the aesthetic shift only scratches the surface. The single playing story reveals a rather jingoistic organization that doesn't gel with the altruistic pioneer/explorers that I grew up with.

Overall the militaristic turn that the UFP has taken is reflected across the board. Players who I'm assuming are younger typically refer to the Federation as Starfleet only recognizing the military arm. If these people were introduced to Trek via the MMO I can't begrudge them that. Consider your captain.. In the course of your playthrough how many bodies lie at your feet? As I understand there are diplomacy missions but they are falling away like vestigial limbs.


Curs0r Jun 22, 2013 @ 1:29am 
Jingoistic is a beautiful term for it. Also, what they did to the Romulans is just appalling if you loved the shows.
Xeno Jun 22, 2013 @ 7:09am 
Not necessarily. I have been a fan of Star Trek since age 5 (that was 18 years ago). Loved all of TOS all the way to VOY. Enterprise I wasn't that good sadly, and i dropped out of it before the supposedly decent season 4. Since this is an MMO, you gotta accept certain things that come with it. Various uniforms and ships is a consequence of the game type, its something people expect. They don't wanna be "generic Lt. #10242" but rather be their own unique creation. If you really want uniform looks as much as possible, thats what your fleets uniform is for.

MMOs are about shooting stuff. Again, the fact that we shoot so much is inherent with the game type. While there are some missions with a diplomatic background (like Second Wave), I do agree it should have more than that. Exploration missions in this game are horrible though, might as well drop those since you can't get a decent amount of dilithium for that anymore.

Now for the Romulans. I have been a fan of them in particular for a long time. Their ships are awesome. Any Star Trek game that allowed me to play as them, I did play them a lot (SFC II anyone?). But while a 3-way PVP system would have been more interesting, I simply believe that Cryptic didn't want to make another faction that in the end barely anyone plays, because it would divide the playerbase even more. I certainly can't be bothered to make yet another starbase to grind on. Allowing them to ally was the best compromise and I welcomed it. The story behind it is good, considering it was a necessary evil. They picked up on the whole reunification movement story that was completely forgotten about after TNG.

If you want Romulans to be the never-changing, ever-paranoid bad guys, by all means I can understand that. I always believed they could change, just like the Klingons did before them. Personally, I dislike the fact that the Klingons have become enemies of the Federation once again a lot more. It threw every effort in the past to make this alliance happen out of the window. I would have NEVER expected that to happen after they have been allies for decades and after fighting the Dominion side by side. That is much more glarring to me, than Romulans that do whats necessary to survive, given the fact that there are enemies everywhere.

If you really have a problem with how the Romulan story has unfolded, you can thank JJ Trek for that. STO is just trying to move on the Prime universe story with the mess JJ Abrams left behind, aka destroying Romulus and Remus.
Curs0r Jun 22, 2013 @ 8:52am 
I've been a vocal critic of JJ's... everything for some time. That didn't require cryptic to turn them into toothless fluffy bunny chasers beholden to the Fed and KDF. It's just dumb. Not to mention the fact that fixing it would require nothing more than the same stupid hackneyed plot device that got it blown up. Fixing Romulus is more won't than can't from the developers.

That argument is off base anyway. Ultimately, I just don't see it as congrun with any of my pre-existing ideas of what Star Trek is all about based on the shows. That is of course a subjective thing.
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Xeno Jun 22, 2013 @ 1:02pm 
It is entirely subjective, and I respect your opinion completely. Well, theres still Romulan bad guys (Tal Shiar). I'm not gonna put spoilers here, but they have done worse things than the Romulans have ever done in the past according to what you will find out in the story. I guess it would have been cool to have two types of playable Romulans for you to choose from: Reunificationists or Tal Shiar. I dunno how viable/profitable that would be for Cryptic, but I think that could have been interesting.

Maybe in the future the Tal Shiar become playable, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. I would rather expect Cardassians.
RolanDecoy Jun 26, 2013 @ 7:38am 
It's basically the same problem as with the new movies, it carries the name, but throw it into a parallel universe / alternate timeline and you're no longer bound to the universe as it existed...
Giomanach Jun 27, 2013 @ 9:34am 
been a fan of star trek over 25 years most of whats in this game fits well in trek cannon apart form a few ♥♥♥♥les and the story was more handled by warner bros as well ship types etc to make sure it fits with startrek cannon this is not crypic vision of startrek it is the rights holder WB but so far i have not found any inconsistencies in the game lore as of yet if anyone has give me a shout i would like to know what i missed
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