-=EDF=- Kouta Seto Nov 29, 2012 @ 8:47am
How STO realy is from a point of an ordinary player...
Hello Folks,

I came to the attention that the ♥♥♥♥chat about sto keeps on going:
Im going to do this only because someone needs to put up a word against those not even knowing what they write:

1. STO is PURE F2P even better than LOTRO since it started surpasin even purly made F2P games from the stard.
2. One can grind ALL the gear ingame with the Dilithium system: now the point why many argue that they only want money is that most of the people playing are WESTERN PEOPLE.
Eastern games are more about grinding/Killing masses of enemy's then questing: STO is just that: a game where you can invest time in grinding to get what you want but have some of the best Storybased Quests out there in MMO's.
3. The Combat in sto shure lacks some ballance ... The Dev's themselve said that PVP is inballanced and needs improvement! so why arguing about OP stuff if this game is not even close to what it will become in the future?
4. The ships you can have even without paying or grinding are more than powerfull enogh to handle PVP. Its Team Based after all not just 1 ship wich is the best wins! Know the enemy and you will win (there are armor's against all kinds of dmg so a wise pvp player should adapt to the situation!)
5. Like said bevore this game is as far from finished as WOW is in my opinion a good mmo ... shure its big but hey ... it got no real story and even the newest addons just insert stuff that no one needs (Endgamecontent is identical in every MMO : 1. PVP 2. Instanzes 3. Grinding stuff) but STO actualy puts storry in this too. New Romolus for example: Got its ground area's where you help specific people in their things . If your reputation is high enogh you can even get into a story of coruption and betraial! wherest in most mmo's you get a instanz with no story and just harder enemy's.
6. yeees your more powerfull than most things there: thats because it got the same reason why SWTOR is a briliant game (but sucks in F2P compared to STO sadly): YOU ARE A HERO CHAR LIKE PICARD OR KIRK! remember the defiant challanged a Neg'var and won? or the all but powerfull Scimitar its ♥♥♥ wiped by the enterprise with quantum torps? ... or sadly voyager pwns the colective into stoneage? ...
Even for the non treky's out there or those who dont know what i said earlyer now the translation: imagine a Battleship from the sice of a small town (Scimitar) facing something it would pwn like the bismark uterly destroyed the HMS HOOD (R.I.P. HOOD AND BISMARK) and actualy looses the battle cause of tactic and some luck!


So all in all STO is great of being an MMO even Star Trek Haters gonna enjoy ... shure the char optics are all but great (PLS the japanese have the best for that why not use it!)

Thats all from me for now. I hope you understand all of it cause i give a goddam ♥♥♥♥ about gramma or something like that. Its more important that someone understands you than something that is written right just for the old people who shouldnt tell the youth what to do and not in online games! they are the only freedom one has alone on the world.

MFG: Kouta Seto
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[AoU] That-Damn-Duck Nov 29, 2012 @ 9:03am 
Other than the end where you sound like a punk kid, I agree with you on nearly all of it.

Don't worry about your lack of "gramma" (lol, that's pretty funny), your message comes through loud and clear. Good to hear from someone who isn't just being a hater for hating's sake.

Rock on young dude, rock on.
Kenny Rogers Nov 29, 2012 @ 2:32pm 
Having come back to STO for the first time since Launch, I've got to chime in and say that it's MASSIVELY improved, and I find myself being pleasantly surprised at every turn. So I agree with everything you say, Kouta.


However:

The one place that I will argue with you is when you say "Its more important that someone understands you than something that is written right just for the old people who shouldnt tell the youth what to do and not in online games!"

Counterpoint: The world revolves more and more around computers and the written word, and the better your Written English, and the better you are able to express your thoughts without spelling or grammar mistakes, the more successful you will be in life, not least of which because taking the time to be sure your post is error free shows that you actually give two ****s about what you have to say.

Speeling and Gramma - it's not just for "old people".
It's the wave of the future...
If you don't care enough to put any effort into crafting your message, then why the hell should I care enough to listen to it?
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Something101 Nov 30, 2012 @ 8:10am 
@The Weirdest Wombat

A year or go i played STO not really sure, maybe just after the launch. Anyways i came to the same conclusion that STO improved a lot. I have played a lot of MMO's and this really is something else. And i like it.

Btw you might have been a bit to direct in the face of the poster, but your totally right. Its rather unreadable.
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Guardian Nov 30, 2012 @ 5:44pm 
Same here. I hate MMOs in general, but I already put 70 hours into STO. And yes, it has improved a lot. I played with the beta and I didn't really like it that time. Now since its F2P, I gave it a chance again and I'm still playing with it (WoW was erased from my computer in less than 10 hours.). In STO I just finished Season 1 of the storyline and now I stuck with Season 2, Episode 2, as that's the first broken mission that with I encountered (I finish the mission, I get all the "Hooray, you did it! You may leave for debriefing!" speech. but the game doesn't acknowledge it as I leave the system, but consider it as a mission abort. Hopefully they'll fix it, because I also like the storyline and I'd like to play further.). The only thing what I don't really like is the very fast levelling. I'm already Captain, at Level 37 and Level 40 is already Vice Admiral, while I finished the 25% of the storyline. Its a bit strange that I can reach the Admiral rank within 70 hours. Its way too fast in my opinion. The missions are giving too many experience points. They should give about 500xp per mission, not 5000+. So, it's a bit unbalanced.

However there is one point that with I don't agree with the OP. Western people doesn't like stories. That's rather the Eastern people, who love story centric contents. I'm an author IRL and this is my experience in my profession. And it was the same when I worked as a game designer. Western = impatient, grind centric money and experience collector, lazy to read more than ten lines, otherwise it's already boring, unable to understand more complex sentences and can't imagine new elements, only things based on ancient cliches. Eastern = Patient, capable to understand more complex elements, love to explore, discover and imagine new worlds, stories or game systems. This applies for books, and for games as well.
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[AoU] That-Damn-Duck Dec 1, 2012 @ 7:30am 
Originally posted by Guardian:
However there is one point that with I don't agree with the OP. Western people doesn't like stories. That's rather the Eastern people, who love story centric contents. I'm an author IRL and this is my experience in my profession. And it was the same when I worked as a game designer. Western = impatient, grind centric money and experience collector, lazy to read more than ten lines, otherwise it's already boring, unable to understand more complex sentences and can't imagine new elements, only things based on ancient cliches. Eastern = Patient, capable to understand more complex elements, love to explore, discover and imagine new worlds, stories or game systems. This applies for books, and for games as well.

I would argue with "Western = impatient, grind centric money and experience collector, lazy to read more than ten lines, otherwise it's already boring, unable to understand more complex sentences and can't imagine new elements, only things based on ancient cliches. Eastern = Patient, capable to understand more complex elements, love to explore, discover and imagine new worlds, stories or game systems." But I am "western" and that is too long to read... lol jk.

I'm not a fan of big generalizations of people, let alone an entire hemisphere.
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Kanharn Dec 3, 2012 @ 10:51pm 
Why would this bother you, If you like the game who cares what other people think, You cant please everyone all the time.

Never understood these threads.
Turoki Dec 3, 2012 @ 11:39pm 
Just to throw in my 2 cents, I originally subscribed to STO from day one. Played for about 6 weeks and walked away. After downloading this last week, its much improved, and I havent felt like I needed to purchase anything yet. If your on the fence, give it a try. Its really not a bad game.
ravendawg Dec 4, 2012 @ 8:51am 
Less glitches than wow,better sort of follow startrek series (antique trekkie)waiting for :Bones to make Spocks one eyebrow raise:episode on here but alas.. For ftp with options rules all games should go accordingly.Young trekkies verbally lashing out on multi player games is normal,we as elder trekkites should young jedi them:} Tnks for allowing my rant see you in space.
-=EDF=- Kouta Seto Dec 4, 2012 @ 9:20am 
at least i see some people somewhat on my side of viev than in the actual forum's or on Facebook/Twitter ... Im no Flesh trekie like others may be but this is to me Star Trek to its Fullest! its not alway's without war and that something (the borg or undine) alway's want to wreak havoc is good for people who rather fight (like sisko and kirk) than do diplomatic things like picard. Lets just hope that someday there will be things like in Starfleet Command that we actualy can do diplomatic things or exploration like in real trek.
SilencE Dec 8, 2012 @ 12:38pm 
I wonder how STO is for starters, i do like Star Trek, i'm not a fan boy or anything cause i also like Star Wars/Firefly and others.

I've been watching some vids on youtube and i don't know it does seem a bit 'click click' and you 'NEED' to know a lot.. At the time of writing i'm watching 'let's play Star Trek online - Just gaming4us' and i'm at episode 3.. and nothing has happened really. That's 2 hours of video...

My first and for me most important question is, is it possible to ignore pvp completely or be affected by it?

My second question would be, should i buy some start pack from Steam? Because i can't be bothered making a paypal account or have a credit card to give me a headstart.

When i buy the steam pack will this influence my game experience greatly? Or should i just try it without the pack?
R(ed) Dec 8, 2012 @ 1:30pm 
@Guardian
Got the game, not on steam though.

First, you can ignore PVP. It's underpopulated and woefully imbalanced as it is. I'd argue that there's little reason to be a Klingon excet for lols because it looks like all the interns made their content and the rest is just repacked Federation missions and equipment. Even the HUD and sound effects are inferior, although the unique playable species are interesing.

Second, you don't NEED to get the ship, it's arguably one of the more OP ships there which is the trend Cryptic have. They offer the generic free ships and then their more powerful varients at max level, then the really *cough*balanced*cough* ships turn up. However, I want to add that I own several paid ships and I'm chosing vessels that have both novelty value and have meaning to me at max level. I'm wary of any of the paid ships that are only valid at a certain level, as you'll go through ships like toilet paper. Max-level vessels are a must (rear admiral or vice admiral rank). I will add that FTP does limit bank and inventory space painfully though. Also read the wiki please, it'll help so much I can't reccomend it more.

Third, I don't have the Steam Pack, and don't care, you level so fast your starting ship from the pack will be obsolete fast, as will your guns, however the other ship (blockade retrofit) will be fun for late game, but personally, there are much cooler ships that you can pay for. You can even make the Escort Carrier http://www.stowiki.org/Heavy_Escort_Carrier look like the Steamrunner if you really are a fan of the ship.
SilencE Dec 8, 2012 @ 2:37pm 
Thanks for the reply, i've just installed it and my first impression.

The Galaxy/Space Dock looks and feels 'dead' compared to let's say Freelancer, all npc's feel static and mean nothing to me. I'm missing 'sounds'/ speech? I think i had 1 popup that actually had some voice to it.

To damn much reading.. I've tried following http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKgA9Cg1jg0 and part 2 and 3.. somehow i missed 'something' but some options weren't available to me like he got 3 items loot i got 1 (account/payment difference?) I don't get most of the skills stuff but that takes time... like every MMO. It's kinda like EVE to much info to early on.

Started an engineer which appealed to me the most, combat feels 'sluggish' (Don't know how to say it) Maybe because i compare it to let's say ME1/2/3 and that takes some getting used 2.

Graphics wise i'm not that impressed, the surroundings lack detail and atmosphere. Space however looks ok nice colors. Characters look rather.. 'dumbed' down lacking detail and i'm playing maxed out on every setting.


As i said this is a first impression and maybe this will change when i get more time to play, but for now it's kinda underwhelming. I was hoping it would give me that 'SW Galaxies' (before the massive F***UP patch) feeling again.. Guess i'm getting old.

-=EDF=- Kouta Seto Dec 9, 2012 @ 5:55am 
i made 3 new chars myselfe and all are fun to play. I didnt watch your Let's play but to tell you the truth : YES it was somewhat of hard to get used to the new Shooter Mode (cause you can miss sometimes) but hey: one can still play it as the MMO its suposed to be! the story is GREAT shure at some point you miss more of it but hey : First you fence of against the borg in a holograpic turturial (unless they changed it) then your first asignment is to help a freighter being under attack if you REALY read the entire things and have a party of ALL classes (Tactical, Engineer and Scienc) you can realy do something other MMO's LACK: You can fullfil diferent bonus missions to either RESCUE the freighter or even save the woundet (thats not the end but i only take this one story quest for an example cause its the most basic and fastest to acomplish anyway)

So even if the controls are a bit HARD TO LEARN the fact that it got bouth MMORPG controll and Shooter like controll makes this game still one of the most enjoyable for anybody (in games like Falen Earth where there is only a shooter mode your somewhat of OP and close combat is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the little hit box!).

And for the thing with the drops : I playd sto for the better part of the last year and HEY i usualy am satisfied with the endloot i get when i win the quest. would there be more sets then i would grind but there arent and all items i need i can easyli grind up by doing quests i already did(whats great cause you can easily forget the things you made earlyer here)
Han Swaggins Dec 9, 2012 @ 9:28pm 
I played about a year ago, got to level 50, and found out there was nothing to do. Doing Raids and PvP over and over again is nothing new, which all MMO's have in common. Sadly, don't expect anything new end game. It's really a great game, I lost track of time leveling up, but after hitting max you'll say to youself, "So that's it eh?"
R(ed) Dec 10, 2012 @ 1:27pm 
Originally posted by Draxarr:
Sadly, don't expect anything new end game. It's really a great game, I lost track of time leveling up, but after hitting max you'll say to youself, "So that's it eh?"
You're missing out! There's new endgame content. They've created a new sector block for the new Romulan homeworld (that'll be the 2nd new homeworld!) and added a new anti-tholian region in Klingon space, which is good for...grinding mostly tbh, although Tholians are Undine-lite and a little more interesting to fight.
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