Tekkhi May 5, 2013 @ 10:38am
Will I need to spend money?
I previously asked on here about wether I should start playing now or wait for legacy of the romulas and the community were very helpful and helped me make my decision to wait so I figured I will try asking another thing on here.

If I enjoy this game, to get anywhere will I need to put down any money?
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Toadnut May 5, 2013 @ 11:46am 
I cant tell you yes or no ,but I bought this game way back when it acually launched havnt played it since it went free to play kind of curious of if its Pay to win my self
Eradicator8 May 5, 2013 @ 1:30pm 
This game has one of the best Free to play models i've seen. A number of the restrcitions are lifted after 20 hours of game play and there are not may restrictions in the first place. In the case of Zen points (the game currency you can buy with real money to get in game stuff) can be bought with Dilithium which is something you can earn in the game by doing certain things.
Toadnut May 5, 2013 @ 1:31pm 
I rembember I really liked the space combat stuff
dohvakin31 May 5, 2013 @ 6:54pm 
well from my experience yes you would need to lay out some money if you dont want to wait 2 months to get a new ship. other than that there are only reaally 3 other ships you can get with energy credits
Szeron May 5, 2013 @ 11:40pm 
Surprisingly enough, no, you don't "need" to pay for anything in this game outside of things like lifetime-subscriber perks and pre-order/collectors edition items.

The game uses an intermediate, "time-based" currency that can be exchanged for the premium/real money currency in a way that is similar to gems in Guild Wars 2. You can only refine 8000 of the currency per day into its exchangeable form, but you're free to stockpile as much of its unrefined form as you like(effectively - there is an absurdly high limit in the millions or billions). Dilithium also has a lot of end game applications, so it's a pretty popular commodity for people to want to exchange Zen for it in turn.

Outside of the account services, like character/inventory/bridge officer slots, most of what you can buy does not give you a significant advantage over players who use non-paid stuff. Mostly, you pay for something that looks pretty and/or comes with some interesting gimmicks. (like a ship that can seperate into multiple parts, but each part is fractionally weaker on its own - or a ship that can deploy into a siege mode where it absorbs energy and then unleashes it all at once)

Player skill/knowledge is probably 80% of the game. You could spend hundreds of dollars on a ship and outfitting it, and I can guarentee you I could purchase and throw a ship together for around 200k energy credits(the 'gold coins' of STO - fairly cheap for end-game) that would completely blow it out of the space-water.

(It's not because items are worthless - that's the other 20% - but because understanding power and shield distribution, weapon firing and skill cycles, effective weapon ranges, evasion versus resistance, etc. has a huge impact in your overall performance. You can do just fine in PvE not knowing most of that, so don't be intimidated. Just don't be surprised if you enter a red alert or something, are struggling against a single ship, and then see a veteran player fly by and completely ravage everything in sight.)

Personally, I pay to support the developers more than I do to actually buy things. Shiny things are nice, but I put my money where my mouth is in supporting companies that enourage people to play and support them instead of walling them off from fun unless they pay the toll.
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Toadnut May 6, 2013 @ 4:00am 
What lvl can you get a new ship after the starter one?
cowinspace May 6, 2013 @ 7:19am 
There is no real requirement to pay as you can access all the content for free. You recieve a ship at level 0, 10, 20, 30 and 40 and if you are in a fleet you can grind for a level 50 fleet ship. You may want to spend a little money for a one month sub as this unlocks some nice extras for the whole account that stay unlocked even if you drop the sub (extra storage slots, fleet creation, extra charcter slot, extra boff slots, and most useful of all, account shared bank slots).

But you don't need any of this, you can play it start to finish without every paying a penny. Gear is found easily through missions and only really matters in end game raids and PvP (and learning to live with underlevelled gear can be useful).
Jamie May 6, 2013 @ 7:42pm 
Originally posted by redneck69_er:
What lvl can you get a new ship after the starter one?

You get a new ship for free from Ensign -> Lt. Cdr. -> Cdr. -> Capt. and so on, any more ships require paying ingame credits.

You don't need to really pay for anything, though i do, it takes away the need to craft anything for the good gear until max level.
ChristmasVictim May 6, 2013 @ 8:02pm 
I'm level 40, got great gear, and I haven't even spent a dime on this game. Also have over 50000 dilithium, and about 500,000 energy credits. Not even a dime.
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Grimcreaper May 7, 2013 @ 4:28am 
Originally posted by redneck69_er:
I cant tell you yes or no ,but I bought this game way back when it acually launched havnt played it since it went free to play kind of curious of if its Pay to win my self

Currently, the best ships are Real Money. In fact, they are rediculous compared to the non-pay version.
Prophet May 7, 2013 @ 11:30am 
Originally posted by Grimcreaper:
Originally posted by redneck69_er:
I cant tell you yes or no ,but I bought this game way back when it acually launched havnt played it since it went free to play kind of curious of if its Pay to win my self

Currently, the best ships are Real Money. In fact, they are rediculous compared to the non-pay version.
But the Real Money ships arent very expensive :)
Elder Drake May 7, 2013 @ 1:17pm 
Originally posted by -=Wiplazh=-:
But the Real Money ships arent very expensive :)

Respectfully I disagree. I am a lifetime subscriber and I am by no means trying to troll or talk the game down but the reality of ship cost should be properly stated. Every 100 Zen equals $1 USD. Vice Admiral (lvl 50) store ships are 2500 Zen (with a couple of exceptions) and usually come in packs as well of three variants (packs for all three plus extras for buying all 3 in the pack are 5000 Zen). So that is $25/ship or $50/ship pack.

The good news is two fold, the ship unlocks are account wide (any character you make will have access to them, a distinction to be made as the other rare ships that come from lockboxes are NOT account wide and the boxes can only be unlocked via Master Keys sold in the C-Store or on the market for about 1mil credits/each) and it is also technically feasible to not spend a penny to get them. This would require a lot of time though (putting it mildly) to play the in game currency system to aquire the needed Zen and to me, although it is possible, it just is not realistic for someone with a job and social life.

The game is great but I would say either be ready (at end game) to either work the market over some time for Zen or to shell out some money for those ships. A poster above said it right as well, the C-Store ships are considerably stronger and better overall. Great game but just be aware of the above. Happy Gaming.
Szeron May 7, 2013 @ 8:47pm 
That is true, there are some potent ships available for Zen(The Vesta and Kumari, in particular, comes to mind). However, these ships are not 'required' to enjoy the game - which is what I believe the OP was asking.

In fact, my oldest character only just recently decided to finally replace his old Advanced Escort he got at level 40(which he was fully capable of soloing elite cubes in KASE with).. and even then I'm still debating whether I want to go back to it or try to stomach the fleet version of it. I'm really missing my tractor beam with him on his new Armitage - the NX grappler just doesn't cut it and the Danubes are not reliable/on-demand.
AbsynthMinded May 8, 2013 @ 7:09am 
If you expect to reach the top tiers you WILL grind like you have never experienced grind in any game ever played previously, OR pay money and save your bitter hatred for uber asian style 'gind or die' methodology given to us by DSthall, whom I loathe.
Cappado May 8, 2013 @ 9:06am 
I would disagree with most and say that the "grinding" for upper level ships is nowhere near as excessive as some people hae made it out to be. As well as being able to purchase Zen with real cash AND use in game currency in the form of dilithium to purchase Zen, there is also the ingame market. Generally on the market you can find absolutely anything, for another ingame currency known as e/c. E/c and dilithium pop up all the time. Some of the best in game gear is also dropped via story mission or endgame content (ie Jem Hadar ship equipment and BOFF, Borg Ship and Ground gear etc etc) Added to this there is the in game fleet system. If you join a fleet depending on the fleets level you will get access to the very best weapons and ships again for no money laid out. Alright you may have to "grind" a little more excessively to get the really uber stuff, but you'll only ever need it if your heavily into pvp. The microtransaction system in this game I truly feel is the best example of free to play i have ever seen. Not nly can you buy the exact same stuff with in game currency and real cash, NOT ONCE will you see pop ups like in other MMO's saying register for extra XP! Or You could of done so uch better if only you'd give us some real cash!

All of that said, I have spent more money on STO than any other MMO/Game I have ever played. I however am a greedy uber geek. I see awesome, I want it. I see new uniforms, i want it. If you think theres any chance AT ALL that you will throw real money into the game, take out a month to month subscription, get the free benefits a previous poster commented on and you will also get a monthy payment of Zen to your character. Pretty good deal.
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