Devil Apr 4 @ 6:54pm
new Reputation System
you need to reed this Originally Posted by bshunter1
People can say how great it is all they want. I call SHENANIGANS. Ive watched my dad play STO for years. He got me into playing it. I have seen perfect world break more things than they fixed. Ive seen them nerf so much stuff over and over. Now cause cry babies who don't know how to speck their tunes, or ships. We get our hard work stolen from us. My dad says progress means growth, improvement. Not the dumbing down of things to cater to those who are to lazy and stupid to learn how to get better. He also says You can polish a turd until it shines but its still a turd. I made an Alt for this reply cause he knows players who got their accounts banned for speaking their mind. No that is true cause even I saw the screenshots they posted as proof. Perfect World is not democratic. There is no freedom of speech here in the forums. The GMs don't care or look into anything unless its a bot report. Or some jimminee cricket tells on other players that find a way to benefit from the game even if its vanilla. Perfect World does not care about the players if they do this they are stealing every players hard work. The players are the customer, we spend our money here. Without us there is no Perfect World. My dad maybe an old fart in the real world and in game, but I agree with him on this. He's earned his stripes in the real world and he earned his stripes in game. He is an Admiral in two fleets, and grinded out reps for almost 20 tunes. All that hard work will be stolen from him at the push of a button. He calls it unacceptable. You people at Perfect World are all liars, you are not improving the game you are trying to sell us a polished turd. Then expecting us to eat it and like it. New players are stupid for trying to challenge a vet. So they cry to you and your answer is to punish the loyal players. My dad told me the fascist at perfect world will probably ban my account for speaking the truth. But the truth is the truth, we do not matter to them. Our opinion does not matter to them. They are predjudicial in there treatment of silver players. They do not care about how we feel about this theft of our efforts. His quote word for word. I may be 11 yrs old but I know this is wrong. I will not be spending one dollar more on STO or any game that perfect world makes, and I play a few of them. My dad has sent out a fleet wide mail to all members in both of his fleets. to stop all real world purchases for perfect world. He and I wil be telling all our friends not to spend another penny on perfect world. Because they will just nerf it or out right take it away. Between just the 2 of us that is over 500 players that will be boycotting perfect world. All that spend at least 50 bucks a month on STO alone. Then we will be spreading the word to games like NeverWinter and all the other games we play. My dad says to tell all of you that are mad about this to join the boycott, do not spend any money on this or any other perfect world game. That is all that matters to them is money. My dad says that Dumbing the game down for these worthless players is a betrayel to all of us who have as of now wasted our time learning and earning our way through the ranks and the reps. soon there will be an automatic pilot skill (what new rep system will that come out in/ or will it replace all of them so there is only one skill you need to get). All you have to do is log with your username, password, and a valid credit card. Then perfect world does the rest. "The game plays itself, what could be easier". No one ever loses, you never die, they never have to fix stuff that's broken, because it doesn't matter, they don't care. In my opinion the only thing perfect about perfect world is, how perfectly obvious it is that they don't care about me or you. By punishing and stealing from us for our loyalty. By betraying us with crap like this instead of fixing things, and coming up with new stuff, better stuff, not the same O'l thing rehashed to death. (Space, ground, space). My dad taught me about stuff like the 10% rule in Infected space, the 5k rule when fighting Denatra, always remember to crouch with ranged weapons, If your going to private challenge someone. Fight for all your worth, if you die you die, learn from the loss and fix what is wrong. Be it load out, specks, or, in your thinking. Don't cry about it, just fix it. When your better go challenge them again and give it another try. But it looks like perfect world lives by the motto of. Don't fix it we'll just make more broken stuff. Release so called new stuff, then nerf the hell out of it. Let them grind all they want, we will just take it away later, and erase their hard work. To all you Devs pretending to be players and saying how great an idea this is. Your just trying to smooth over something that is a big screw you to all of us long time loyal players. Fight the Power, Down with all Oppressors. Join the boycott against perfect world and don't spend money on STO. Lets all hit them in the wallet, They take our hard earned Reps from us. We take away from their bank accounts. Stop dumbing down games, Stop catering to the cry babies, Stop stealing from your loyal customers. Or you might lose your jobs. When the share holders ask where are the profits, and you don't have a good answer. Because your reason for doing this is like my dad says "unacceptable". Fight the Power, Boycott Zen, Boycott STO.
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Sinnaj63 Apr 5 @ 12:45am 
Originally posted by Devil:
you need to reed this Originally Posted by bshunter1
*You should read this pos by bshunter1:
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Ruin Apr 5 @ 4:11am 
I'll summarise :

Blah.. Blah... Blah... Crying like a baby... Conspiracy theories... Cliche'd rhetoric... More conspiracies... More crying and whinging... Blah.. Blah... I don't understand the true reason for the changes and am just regurgitating a rant from my dad... Blah... Blah... More cliched nonsense...
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Devil Apr 5 @ 6:58am 
Originally posted by Ruin:
I'll summarise :

Blah.. Blah... Blah... Crying like a baby... Conspiracy theories... Cliche'd rhetoric... More conspiracies... More crying and whinging... Blah.. Blah... I don't understand the true reason for the changes and am just regurgitating a rant from my dad... Blah... Blah... More cliched nonsense...
just a nother noob that dos not whant to do the work and whants it for free
DeadPandas Apr 5 @ 8:28am 
The truth hurts most of these fanboys. We might play the game for years but nobody knows to this day exactly how things work anymorel. Mark my words, in 1 year many players will be crying for stahl to return.
TheWolfDrone Apr 5 @ 9:42am 
Well that certainly was a wall of text, certainly one of the larger ones I have seen.

So your dad is one of us who spent countless hours on the game and got screwed by the devs / company of it despite spending his time and I assume hard earned money on the game. To be honest it is not that much of a big suprise they did that, it is a very common thing in online games. I am also sad to say that odd's are not much will change for the simple fact that even if you got 1000 people to go against them there would still be thousands playing theyre game anyway throwing money at it. I myself will continue to support and play the game for the simple fact of I do very much enjoy it. I do have to agree on the fact that they usually do not seem to show to much attention unless it is bug / bot related. I am sorry that all the time and money put into it has been thrown out the window. The most I can really say is eh, time to move on to some other game that is more supportive of theyre gamers. ( Just putting this in as a fair warning, the game Age of Wushu is a fun game, though support does not even exist for that game so if you decide to go to that one you have been warned )
I am again sorry about the whole situation, for people who really get into games and rely on them to take the stress out of theyre life loseing that much can hit you like a truck. Tell your dad I hope he finds another game to enjoy and love .
Edit: Also just putting this out there, as much as I do respect clans ect ect the odds of those people actually fully giveing up on spending money and such on a game they clearly enjoy is kind of a long shot. It would kind of be like telling me " Hay, we are going against any and all ramen companys, do not buy anymore of theyre ramen " Its something I enjoy and love, so odds are I would uhuh sure, while I am eating some beef ramen noodles. I do not doubt peoples loyalty to clans and stuff but people are gonna do whatever they really feel like even if someone who is the leader tells them not to. ( just guessing here as I somehow doubt your father or owner went through this much trouble ) I cant say 100% for them but if someone who is just the leader of a clan I am in tells me that I would honestly brush it aside, I neither know this person IRL or have ever met them. It is just some person I hang out with in games that is all. Obviously I would take it into consideration if it is someone I have become good friends with of course but eh.
Great now mine is a wall too.....
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Ruin Apr 5 @ 6:49pm 
Originally posted by Devil:
just a nother noob that dos not whant to do the work and whants it for free

That's where you're wrong kid... I'm a life time subscriber, the difference is, I understand why this is being done and agree with it...

As new rep factions are introduced the divide between new and long-term subscribers will become wider and wider... If STO was purely a PVE game, I would agree, there is no need to change how rep factions work, however, since PVP is an aspect (an aspect I've never really been interested in I will add) I can see the validity in leveling the playing field a little...

There is no fun in being trounced because another player who has been playing the game for alot longer has an unfair advantage simply because they have played it longer... As I said, in PVE, who cares, but in PVP this is definately a problem...

I'll just state here, having worked for better equipment is one thing, but given buffs just because you've played longer which, given the ease of 'grinding' STO rep, this is exactly how it works is another, as there really is no effort what so ever required to cap out rep factions, only time and patience... Veteran players will still have an advantage with rep for new characters due to the new sponsorship system anyway...

Long-term players will still have the advantage, however, it will not be so extreme that new players will be deterred from even trying...

You want an easy way to kill an MMO, stack the game too much in favour of long-term players and watch it collapse as newer players quit because they have no chance, leaving the long-term players whinging about the lack of players, before they too quit... Soon enough, the game servers close...

So far, from what I have seen, no existing players will lose out... You will be able to utilise all the exisitng benefits of the existing rep factions, however, from now on, it will mean you will need to chose what new benefits you use over the existing bonuses...

Ideally, this in itself could be a blessing in disguise as it will actually result in greater character customisation, instead of just churning through to get all the buffs, you will now be able to better tailor what is suited to your role or play style...

Untill such time as we see exactly how the new system will work, childish ranting like that of the OP, or should I say the immaturity of his father, and the person who he copied for that matter, is fruitless... Constructive criticism through testing on the PTS would achieve far more than this nonsense...
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TheWolfDrone Apr 5 @ 6:57pm 
It is kind of a double edged sword really, put the long time players in to much favor and the new crowds will leave and complain daily. You put to much in favor of the new people over your long time players though and the exact same happens. I have to say it is very sad but almost no game I have ever played ( That involves any sort of online play ) are able to find a good in between zone. There seriously is no way they could ever possibly keep both sides fully happy , no matter what one side will find something to complain about the other. Its as if for some reason or another people like to complain as if just for the hell of it, though that is in any game really so eh. ^^

Edit: Well that and the fact that this is the Steam topics, they have been and always will be a cess pool of ignorance and childish actions. The main forums for games usually are a tad bit better , not always the case though of course.
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Ruin Apr 5 @ 6:59pm 
Originally posted by TheWolfDrone:
It is kind of a double edged sword really, put the long time players in to much favor and the new crowds will leave and complain daily. You put to much in favor of the new people over your long time players though and the exact same happens. I have to say it is very sad but almost no game I have ever played ( That involves any sort of online play ) are able to find a good in between zone. There seriously is no way they could ever possibly keep both sides fully happy , no matter what one side will find something to complain about the other. Its as if for some reason or another people like to complain as if just for the hell of it, though that is in any game really so eh. ^^

Exactly... There will never be a perfect balance, all that Cryptic can hope to achieve is a format which is as fair as possible on both sides...

Veterans will still have the advantage in that they will already have their existing rep factions, while new players will need at least a couple months to grind through to T5 on all the same reps... The only difference, that advantage will not increase exponentially with every new rep faction...
TheWolfDrone Apr 5 @ 7:06pm 
I think this kind of plays into the fact that somwhere along the line, people just started to get lazy and more simple. They want games so dummed down that you playing some Blues Clues game or something would need more thought power. I do not mind when games decide to go abit more streamline or a bit easier as to help bring in new people.Though at a certain point it becomes insanely boreing and feels more like a 9-5 day job rather than a fun and exciteing game. I dont know maybe its just me getting older or something but I see it alot more nowadays. I even made a huge change in games I played ( Went from the usual FPS type games to RPG, Strategy, rouge likes, ectect about 5 or so years ago ). The only real complaint I will ever have towards this game though is the fact that 1. Theyre costumer service does certainly need some work. 2 the game itself while fun and exciteing is so repetitive. I dont mind seeing reskined monsters in games or something or the usual grindy go here get that missions. Though STO does this exact thing over through out the whole game ( Not counting the fun PVE que's ) Is space battle, go to the ground fight, final space battle, travel to another planet. Rinse and repeat...Through the whole entire thing.....They really seemed to not put to much thought into that part of the game. I love em and the game by all means but that is the only part of it that feels like as I said, a crappy 9-5 day job.
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Devil Apr 5 @ 9:00pm 
Originally posted by Ruin:
Originally posted by Devil:
just a nother noob that dos not whant to do the work and whants it for free

That's where you're wrong kid... I'm a life time subscriber, the difference is, I understand why this is being done and agree with it...

As new rep factions are introduced the divide between new and long-term subscribers will become wider and wider... If STO was purely a PVE game, I would agree, there is no need to change how rep factions work, however, since PVP is an aspect (an aspect I've never really been interested in I will add) I can see the validity in leveling the playing field a little...

There is no fun in being trounced because another player who has been playing the game for alot longer has an unfair advantage simply because they have played it longer... As I said, in PVE, who cares, but in PVP this is definately a problem...

I'll just state here, having worked for better equipment is one thing, but given buffs just because you've played longer which, given the ease of 'grinding' STO rep, this is exactly how it works is another, as there really is no effort what so ever required to cap out rep factions, only time and patience... Veteran players will still have an advantage with rep for new characters due to the new sponsorship system anyway...

Long-term players will still have the advantage, however, it will not be so extreme that new players will be deterred from even trying...

You want an easy way to kill an MMO, stack the game too much in favour of long-term players and watch it collapse as newer players quit because they have no chance, leaving the long-term players whinging about the lack of players, before they too quit... Soon enough, the game servers close...

So far, from what I have seen, no existing players will lose out... You will be able to utilise all the exisitng benefits of the existing rep factions, however, from now on, it will mean you will need to chose what new benefits you use over the existing bonuses...

Ideally, this in itself could be a blessing in disguise as it will actually result in greater character customisation, instead of just churning through to get all the buffs, you will now be able to better tailor what is suited to your role or play style...

Untill such time as we see exactly how the new system will work, childish ranting like that of the OP, or should I say the immaturity of his father, and the person who he copied for that matter, is fruitless... Constructive criticism through testing on the PTS would achieve far more than this nonsense...
i know you have not read what i put up it say Originally Posted by bshunter1 dos my name look like that

now thats sed ive been playing for 4years i have 30 toon on 4 acounts all at lvl50 with max out rep sto was made as pwe 1FS of and pvp was a 2EN thought i know theres alot of fleets that are not heppey with this new rep ♥♥♥♥ so far theres over 7500 of players that will not be playing wend the pach comes out
Ruin Apr 5 @ 9:45pm 
Originally posted by Devil:
i know you have not read what i put up it say Originally Posted by bshunter1 dos my name look like that

No, but you're about as articulate... And I'll rephrase the sentence in question, as you're correct, I tripped over the wording...

'...childish ranting like that of the poster the OP copied, or should I say the immaturity of the copied poster's father, and even the OP for that matter...'

Originally posted by Devil:
now thats sed ive been playing for 4years i have 30 toon on 4 acounts all at lvl50 with max out rep sto was made as pwe 1FS of and pvp was a 2EN thought i know theres alot of fleets that are not heppey with this new rep ♥♥♥♥ so far theres over 7500 of players that will not be playing wend the pach comes out

Can you please restate this in proper english? About all I could take away was your unsubstatiated claim that 7.5k players will stop playing when S9 hits, to which I will say 'Bye, bye... Don't let the door hit you in the ♥♥♥♥ on the way out...'

Funny thing about such statements though, I've heard countless people make such claims as 'I'm never gonna play X game again!' yet they are then clamoring to be the first in the door for the next DLC/Xpac... Just look at WoW players...

Additionally, you failed to actually address a single thing I mentioned in support of why this is not only a potentially good idea, but potentially neccesary to promote proper balance and longevity of STO...

Furthermore, having 30 level 50's, on 4 accounts and having played for over 4 years does not give your statements any greater validity or factuality when you are failing to offer anything to support your position...

I stand by my original remarks that the wall-of-text in the first post is a rant of conspiracies, whinging and self-entitled cliche'd rhetoric, that really doesn't say anything of any true consequence for or against the proposed reputation changes...

If anything, it reads as someone who's going bat♥♥♥♥ without truely understanding what the change actually involves, especially considering no one (to my understanding) has yet had hands-on experience with the new system outside of Cryptic...
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TheWolfDrone Apr 5 @ 10:22pm 
I would imagine they did some testing maybe even includeing those who have been with STO the longest or something. Though it is likely it was just in house testing. )
Ruin Apr 6 @ 12:36am 
Originally posted by TheWolfDrone:
I would imagine they did some testing maybe even includeing those who have been with STO the longest or something. Though it is likely it was just in house testing. )

Point of reference :

http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3039033-season-9-dev-blog-_5

That is the official statement regarding reputation changes, they're probably screaming about the limit of 4 passives for space and 4 for ground and that this will somehow gimp their characters...

Truth is, most passive right now are lacklustre at best, downright useless at worst, and since virtually all T1-T4 passives are being buffed or altered to be more effective, there should be a minimal negative impact, if any at all...

I've just tried to get onto Tribble for a closer look for myself, but there was an 8.9gb update waiting for me so it will need to wait..
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Sandormen Apr 6 @ 7:02am 
MY EYES!!!!
Banny Apr 6 @ 8:26am 
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