Diamond The Ice Horse Jan 26 @ 9:43am
This game is NOT worth it
This game is badly designed, buggy, has a lack of endgame content and does not give you any sort of Star Trek feeling at all. The Federation are depicted as warlords at war with everything and everyone. In one mission you are required to blow up shuttles with civilians aboard... Plus, the ships are not correct to canon, not skinned correctly and have such bizarre layouts, they do not corespond to their on screen counterparts.

If you are thinking about playing this game... DON'T. The Fleet system and Reputation Systems for endgame gear require you to drain money into the game, unless you want to be grinding every day for months at a time.

This game ignores the golden rule of F2P MMO's and suffers dearly for it. "You don't sell power!" The devs are greedy, obnoxious and have no interest in preserving Star Trek's integrity. I recommend Bridge Commander or Starfleet Command III for a more authetic Star Trek experience without the major bugs and "quick ways to make a buck".
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Sinnaj63 Jan 26 @ 9:49am 
Originally posted by Almas Khonsu:
"quick ways to make a buck".
To celebrate 4 Years of STO they will start giving away premium stuff tomorrow.
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Diamond The Ice Horse Jan 26 @ 10:00am 
Originally posted by Sinnaj63:
Originally posted by Almas Khonsu:
"quick ways to make a buck".
To celebrate 4 Years of STO they will start giving away premium stuff tomorrow.

Doesn't change what they are and a few free gimmicks like their last "giveaway" where they gave away irrelivant ships like the Nebula, yes, that was really helpful. I doubt they will be giving away something relevant in this "giveaway".

Just a publicity stunt and the stupid thing is that people buy into it.
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J. Alfred Prufrock Jan 26 @ 3:26pm 
Everything in the game, INCLUDING everything that the devs sell for real world money, can be attained just by playing the game. It's perfectly viable to not spend a dime... keep mining dilithium every day, convert to Zen (the ingame currency), and buy whatever.
BABarracus Jan 26 @ 11:14pm 
It is kind of pay to win or grind for it the saucer seperation changes thins because now the enemy has 2 targets to worry about
BABarracus Jan 26 @ 11:15pm 
all ships need to have that standard with shuttle deployment
darshie76 Jan 27 @ 3:02am 
I can't find a single statement that is biased, honestly.

Lots of bugs? Yes, all of the games has them

PAy to win? No; nothing sold in this game allow you to win, unless you play PVP; in which case, if you have a C store ship. you may have a slight advantage...but you can get the C store ships farming dilithium, so you don't really need to pay.

LAck of end game? There are a ton of "raids" and other content that is re-playable at will. If you can make examples then is easier to see what are you missing.

The federation is warmonger :) Did you ever watch the show? most of the time is a continuous pew pew with others...then they make peace with a race and a anew one pops out waging war. The ships are decently recreated, considering that you never need to look at them too close; this game does not replicate 1:1 the ships, because it would take too long (after all the internal layout is often the same, so....)

Rep system is optional; fleet requirements depends from the fleet....you can play without the need to acquire fleet modules or ships, unless your fleet force you to; with a gun pointed at your head :)

You came here suggesting games that 99% of the Star Trek fans knows well; but you forget that they are not MMO...Kinda like suggesting to a vegetarian asking for food, to buy a nice cadillac; can't eat it but is an awesome looking car! This is an mmo; it is flawed, and has some problems but overall is the only thing available for ST; overall they did a decent job making this game...you should've been here playing it at launch...when it was not F2p and there was no PWE selling stuff.

Because the devs do not sell stuff...PWE does.

And again...you NEVER need to buy anything to play this game, unless you live for PVP only. In all these years, I never played a single time in PVP; never needed to, never was forced to. You can survive, believe me.

BTW if you hate it so much; you should go to CA and yell at the devs...here nobody from PWE or Cryptic read the comments ;)
BABarracus Jan 27 @ 3:40am 
Originally posted by darshie76:
I can't find a single statement that is biased, honestly.

Lots of bugs? Yes, all of the games has them

PAy to win? No; nothing sold in this game allow you to win, unless you play PVP; in which case, if you have a C store ship. you may have a slight advantage...but you can get the C store ships farming dilithium, so you don't really need to pay.

LAck of end game? There are a ton of "raids" and other content that is re-playable at will. If you can make examples then is easier to see what are you missing.

The federation is warmonger :) Did you ever watch the show? most of the time is a continuous pew pew with others...then they make peace with a race and a anew one pops out waging war. The ships are decently recreated, considering that you never need to look at them too close; this game does not replicate 1:1 the ships, because it would take too long (after all the internal layout is often the same, so....)

Rep system is optional; fleet requirements depends from the fleet....you can play without the need to acquire fleet modules or ships, unless your fleet force you to; with a gun pointed at your head :)

You came here suggesting games that 99% of the Star Trek fans knows well; but you forget that they are not MMO...Kinda like suggesting to a vegetarian asking for food, to buy a nice cadillac; can't eat it but is an awesome looking car! This is an mmo; it is flawed, and has some problems but overall is the only thing available for ST; overall they did a decent job making this game...you should've been here playing it at launch...when it was not F2p and there was no PWE selling stuff.

Because the devs do not sell stuff...PWE does.

And again...you NEVER need to buy anything to play this game, unless you live for PVP only. In all these years, I never played a single time in PVP; never needed to, never was forced to. You can survive, believe me.

BTW if you hate it so much; you should go to CA and yell at the devs...here nobody from PWE or Cryptic read the comments ;)

its pay to win that carrier is invincible if you do it right
Kitsune Aoi Jan 27 @ 4:49am 
I don't know which Carrier you are refering to But none of them are actually invincible. And if you are complaining about the fleet ships being pay to win just earn the EC and buy the Fleet modules off the exchange. No real money spent. Since the cstore items can all be earned through gameplay via either Dil to zen conversion or buying items off the exchange and non give a "real" edge in combat it isn't truely a pay to win. You want an Advanced Obelisk or Jem'hadar Dreadnought carrier but not willing to spend money on unlocking lock boxes for the lobi then earn the energy credits and buy it off someone else that put it on the exchange. Or is buying better items on the exchange with ingame earned currency pay to win as well in your eyes. If that is the case stay away from any online game that you "earn upgrades" via spending currency be it gold, Skill points, credits or what ever you gear up.

Pay to win means you have to spend real money to have a big advantage over other players that "earn" everything through regular game play and have no way of getting the Pay items. Otherwise it is just pay to advance faster.

I will admit that and extra 10% Shields and health plus 1 more console can be helpful in PvP. But this game was not built as a PvP focused game it is PvE focused with extra PvP and PvEvP content added to spice things up. A Regular Tier 5 9 console ship can still perform perfectly well in the PvE content, plus they do special event reward ships like teh Breen ships for teh winter event and Risian Corvette from teh summer event that are Fleet quality with teh 10 consoles and 10% bonus health that every has access to earning durning the events. So you never need to buy a Fleet ship to be competitive in PvP either if you just watch for teh rewards.
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BABarracus Jan 27 @ 5:04am 
the ships are the advantage if you use them right and you buffs and debuffs of you character no one relly pays attention to it becuase they are more concerned with grinding then trying to see of the ships. IN the ships i bought i die far less then the ones i got for free and then with the ships i bought there were missions that were challenging- implossible that i can now do and not take as long.

Saucer separation changes the game plain and simple i now jump head first in to battles with out having to think about it first becuase the saucer can take all the damage and it can die and all you have to do is recall it and it will heal and be ready to launch again with in 3 minuts and with the 5 heal powers i got lasting 3 mins is easy.

when i bought the new ship all i did was take the stuff off my sovern and moved it over same bridge crew and everything

when you use saucer seperation you dont lose and phaser banks off of the engine section really you have 6 weapons pointing forwad and a saucer that can tank a bit
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Road-Kill21 Jan 27 @ 7:01am 
Originally posted by Almas Khonsu:
This game is badly designed, buggy, has a lack of endgame content and does not give you any sort of Star Trek feeling at all. The Federation are depicted as warlords at war with everything and everyone. In one mission you are required to blow up shuttles with civilians aboard... Plus, the ships are not correct to canon, not skinned correctly and have such bizarre layouts, they do not corespond to their on screen counterparts.

If you are thinking about playing this game... DON'T. The Fleet system and Reputation Systems for endgame gear require you to drain money into the game, unless you want to be grinding every day for months at a time.

This game ignores the golden rule of F2P MMO's and suffers dearly for it. "You don't sell power!" The devs are greedy, obnoxious and have no interest in preserving Star Trek's integrity. I recommend Bridge Commander or Starfleet Command III for a more authetic Star Trek experience without the major bugs and "quick ways to make a buck".

All that complaining and yet he has 2,706hr on record playing STO...
Xeno Jan 27 @ 9:02am 
He is just a troll, made essentially the same thread a while ago.
Now the facts:

- Rep and Fleet systems DO NOT require money. Sure, you CAN spend money on Zen, convert to dilithium and spend it on your fleet. Thats an option though, and shouldn't be necessary if your fleet is decently sized and active. The Rep system requires playing, not paying. I have not once come across anything in them that asked for a Zen input. Rep systems are supposed to take time.

- Ships not being accurate. All a matter of opinion really. Do I think the Bug ship can outgun every other escort? No. But in the end, every ship has a clear function and focus and works if you try focusing on its strenghts.

- Indestructible carriers? Any cruiser/science ship can be specced and outfitted so that its really hard to kill. But most ships that focus on tanking are slow, huge and lack DPS. For most ships in this game, theres a severe drawback of some sort to make up for their strengths.

Feds are warmongers. This is an MMO. Thats all you need to know. Killing stuff for XP is part of the game type. Its like people complaining about shooting stuff with phasers in Star Trek Elite Force. Also, if you read the lore, you would know why there are so many conflicts going on.
If you want gameplay more suitable for the faction, go Klingon.

And they don't sell power. A C-Store ship has such minor advantages to a free level 40 ship that skill and game knowledge will matter A LOT more.

Want an example?

I was in in Kerrat (open warzone) with my Klingon B'rel Bird of Prey, facing a Romulan Scimitar.
The Scimitar had more weapons, more HP, better shields and insane DPS by comparison.
But the guy flying it had no idea how to handle it. My tiny undergunned raider stuck behind him, he couldn't get his guns on me. I blew him out of the sky in less than 15 seconds with almost no damage taken.

Case and point: When it comes to ship power, its YOU who matters.
An expert in a subpar ship will totally own a noob in the newest shiny.
CrimzonWarlord Jan 27 @ 12:57pm 
You know this game is free so based on that the worth is only found in the fun you have.
Mr. Fibble Jan 27 @ 2:46pm 
A badly setup ship will have the same base stats as one that has been setup up with better kit!

The ships are only a platform to carry the captain, boffs, doffs and gear. Which are all obatined ingame with the exception of a console that hasnt been cross factioned (and tradeable) via the lockboxes.

Rep system gear needs stuff that can be got in game so needs no cash injection unless you blew your dilithium over an orion slave back when you were a cadet. The only real limit is the 8k a day refining which is increased for veterans who have subbed a certain length of time.

Fleet modules can be bought on the exchange so again the only constraint is time and patience.
BABarracus Jan 27 @ 4:34pm 
"Case and point: When it comes to ship power, its YOU who matters.
An expert in a subpar ship will totally own a noob in the newest shiny."

ship power does matter becuase it comes down to being a numbers game at its heart and here is what i mean a ship that stans still will die faster than a ship that is moving

Originally posted by Xeno:
He is just a troll, made essentially the same thread a while ago.
Now the facts:

- Rep and Fleet systems DO NOT require money. Sure, you CAN spend money on Zen, convert to dilithium and spend it on your fleet. Thats an option though, and shouldn't be necessary if your fleet is decently sized and active. The Rep system requires playing, not paying. I have not once come across anything in them that asked for a Zen input. Rep systems are supposed to take time.

- Ships not being accurate. All a matter of opinion really. Do I think the Bug ship can outgun every other escort? No. But in the end, every ship has a clear function and focus and works if you try focusing on its strenghts.

- Indestructible carriers? Any cruiser/science ship can be specced and outfitted so that its really hard to kill. But most ships that focus on tanking are slow, huge and lack DPS. For most ships in this game, theres a severe drawback of some sort to make up for their strengths.

Feds are warmongers. This is an MMO. Thats all you need to know. Killing stuff for XP is part of the game type. Its like people complaining about shooting stuff with phasers in Star Trek Elite Force. Also, if you read the lore, you would know why there are so many conflicts going on.
If you want gameplay more suitable for the faction, go Klingon.

And they don't sell power. A C-Store ship has such minor advantages to a free level 40 ship that skill and game knowledge will matter A LOT more.

Want an example?

I was in in Kerrat (open warzone) with my Klingon B'rel Bird of Prey, facing a Romulan Scimitar.
The Scimitar had more weapons, more HP, better shields and insane DPS by comparison.
But the guy flying it had no idea how to handle it. My tiny undergunned raider stuck behind him, he couldn't get his guns on me. I blew him out of the sky in less than 15 seconds with almost no damage taken.

Case and point: When it comes to ship power, its YOU who matters.
An expert in a subpar ship will totally own a noob in the newest shiny.

that sounds like the other person needed to put more engineering consoles that allow for higher turn rate i put 4 in my oddesy and it almost turns on a dime like a defiant class that has 3 of those consoles. that guy probly didnt level by doing missions by himself becuase when you level your character by yourself you learn what to do in situations where you are under powered
Optimistic Dan Jan 27 @ 6:13pm 
"2,706 hrs on record
last played on 23 Jan" Is what it says on your profile for STO. I think you just got owned by something and raged quit :S. Thing is its an MMO it has levels and you need patience to achieve and get what you want, I don't know but it has a lot of star trek to me for the short story in it and the battles are rather fun. idk if someone already covered this I have not read any of the other posts.
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