denimdude Aug 28 @ 6:53am
STO Season 10: why are they screwing us over again?
Hi

It could possibley be just me, but who else thinks its total bull to charge people to upgrade ships they ALREADY paid for?

oh and for the record, i dont care how much it costs, i still have to pay again for my ship.
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Wobby Aug 28 @ 9:43am 
U should be happy they even give that option so u can keep using your ship! On most mmo a lvl increase means new gear. In this game they where nice enough to keep let you keep your old ship and upgrade it for a small fee ( no one even knows yet how much it is, and its an ACCOUNT WIDE unlock.. for that ship type ).

So stop being greedy, game needs to earn money some how. Also u PAID for a T5!!! not a T6!! once again be glad u get the option to upgrade.
AbsynthMinded Aug 28 @ 10:24am 
Keeping the old stuff is a scam. The T6 stuff is a magnatude better anyways and all future STFs will be based on T6 difficulty.
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Tonya Kitten Aug 28 @ 10:24am 
I think the point you are missing Wobby is that the biggest Winners here are the ones who havent paid money to get ships... the free players... the ones that we who fund the game as you put it.

The biggest loosers are the ones with the most money invested in the game and ships, be it from the single C-Store purchase, or complete bundles to the avid supporters and collectors of all the bundles... and even the Legacy of Romulus expansion which included a lot of ships too.

These are the people, the funders of the game, that are getting shafted as Denimdude is implying... and its in relation to how much you have invested too... the more you did, the more you gonna get shafted... Denim said he doesnt care how much it costs, its the fact that you are going to HAVE to do it, one way or another...

The point you made Wobby about other MMO's is a valid one, except in many like Rift and WoW the "mounts" are not so intringic to the game as a ship is in STO... but rather a cosmetic addon. In addition, they often "scale with level" or "match your fastest mount".

You also mentioned "gear" and in games most of the gear is got from grinding dungeons and raids... same as the gear in STO (consoles, warp drives, weapons, shields etc) are got from grinding Dilithium... all of which is done in game and like other games will have to be "grinded" (ground? lol) for again...

Denim is not being greedy, if anything, the Dev's are. The "game needs to earn money some how" and this is done through the constant sales of lock box keys, bank slots, ship and character slots, costumes and and costume slots, modules and a lot of other stuff too... and yes, ships also.

Okay, so they graciously allowed us to pay again for our ships to carry them forward into the next phase... Or to loose them and move over to the T6... at lvl 60? oh no, its at lvl 50... why add the T6 to 50 and not 60? As it stands, as my Alts level up, from 49 to 50, there is gonna be a whole fleet of C-Store ships they will never touch as they move onto the T6's... IF that is what i choose to do.... and if that isnt making the current T5's pretty much obsolete, then i dont know what is...

Anyway, the point is, the Dev's are being greedy, the T5-U will not be the same as a T6. and also the ships are intringic to the game, you can play WoW, Rift, Neverwinter or what ever without a mount... just see how you get along without a ship in STO :P
AbsynthMinded Aug 28 @ 10:26am 
Free to play, players are shafted as well because all the new conten beyond the Episode story content will be based on T6, so happy regrinding to try and meet that new high mark of status quo.
Tonya Kitten Aug 28 @ 10:30am 
@Absynthminded oh yes, i totally agree, and wish i had seen your post before i hit send lol

you put it much better than i did :D "the T5-U will not be the same as a T6" and you hit it on the head, it is a scam, or at best, a sham.. its a smoke screen, to placate the stupid funders of the game...

and yes, i do not exclude myself from that statement :P
Tonya Kitten Aug 28 @ 10:33am 
i guess that will depend if everyone has to buy a new T6 or not, im not honestly too sure about that yet and i am in two minds about it also.

on the one hand, if everyone has to buy a T6 then thats one thing, but if there is a in game free T6 basic ship handed out then it further wipes the floor with anyone who spent money in the game getting ships.
AbsynthMinded Aug 28 @ 10:36am 
If I understand the implecations, there will not be a free T6 'basic'. At best I'd expect a T5U free basic to expose the game mechanics to the F2P band
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wdpsr Aug 29 @ 12:37am 
This is why I stopped playing as soon as the news broke of the expansion. I've just decided to wait until it drops before I go any further in the game. Because of the level increase, and all the changes coming, playing now just doesn't make sense to me. I could grind out dilithium and so on, but whats the point really? The entire economy is going to change as well for better or worse. I've cleared 2 character slots to start over to learn what new adjustments I have to make. I too am one who spent a considereable amount of funds on C-Store ships. This news if proven to be true will all but stop me from buying any more ships in the future. I'm glad I took time to read this thread, thanks for posting it.
Mentok Aug 29 @ 11:03am 
This is nothing but another blatant cash grab by PWE. In the 2.5 years I have been playing this game the grind has become more and more the bulk of the game. They put out a new rep for you to endlessly grind for and consider it "new content" then gate it to slow down your progress unless you pay dil for it, which translates to real money. Just like the new changes to crafting.

They could have just had us upgrade our ships to T5U and been done with it rather than introduce a ner tier (which for the longest time they swore they would never do). They want me to pay at least $55.00 to upgrade my 11 T5s? Don't think so after all the greed they have shown. We who are LTS have gotten the shaft yet again.

If you read the stock analysis reports on PWE, you will see the MMO market in China is at a standstill in terms of growth, but mobile gaming has exploded, which happens to be where PWE is focusing their efforts. All they are doing now is trying to get as much money as they can from STO and their other MMOs before closing them down in favor of mobile gaming.
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denimdude Aug 29 @ 11:33am 
Thanks for your input and this is a great discussion i hope PWE see's or hears of this.
Mentok Aug 29 @ 12:15pm 
The head of STO has gone on record saying they don't listen to the forums or the players, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Their actions have shown a contempt for the player base, and especially Star Trek fans. That's also why their Tribble test server is a joke. They ignore valid input from the testers then have to constantly take down the game to fix things once it goes live.
sam7seven Aug 29 @ 10:00pm 
wait what? So I have to rebuy the ships i have already bought.
denimdude Aug 29 @ 11:57pm 
not exactly, you wont have to pay full price but to hit get your tier 5 ship to be able to rival a tier 6 ship, you need to splash out or grind out the zen to buy the upgrade.
denimdude Aug 29 @ 11:58pm 
which might i add, is a huge middle finger to people with zen ships, especially lifers (in my opinion, im not a lifer)
mcclennon000 Aug 30 @ 1:15am 
Might need to reread the post as you do not need to upgrade

Q: Will there be any story content that requires a T5-U or T6 starship?

A: Absolutely not.
Our goal here is to allow players to play through all of the game’s story content without requiring the purchase of a starship.
Owning one of these top notch ships will certainly give you an edge, but story content isn’t designed to require these ships.
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