mlg_Turner Sep 2, 2013 @ 8:21pm
Is it possible?
Has anyone actually beaten the game on moderate mode with permadeath? (without hacking!)

lord dredmor appears to give 0 ♥♥♥♥s about everything I try to kill him with, assuming I can even get there!
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Alugere Sep 2, 2013 @ 10:31pm 
I have, actually (I do permadeath only). However, I will say that I ended up having to tinker up massive numbers of arrows and thrown weapons and attack him from across a lava moat. (Fight for a bit, then flee out of his reach to heal) Some builds just aren't very effective against him
Haldurson Sep 3, 2013 @ 12:58am 
He can be beat on any difficulty with (at least potentially) any build if you have the right gear. No cheats or exploits or mods are necessary. Depending on a lot of factors, it could be a very long fight, so you don't just need the necessary damage, but also skills and/or items that can help keep you alive for that length of time -- don't waste your inky hoglanterns or invisibility potions or Holy Hand Grenades and so on.

Keep in mind He has very high resistances with the exception of Piercing and Righteous, so that should help you for next time.
Mazey Sep 3, 2013 @ 3:20am 
Definitely possible. I've beaten him on Going Rogue with Permadeath. But I wouldn't have believed I could when I first started.
The more you play the better you get.
mlg_Turner Sep 3, 2013 @ 12:03pm 
Right, thanks! I'll keep pushing, I won't be satisfied until it happens, now that I know it's actually possible!
Corlindale Sep 4, 2013 @ 1:06pm 
Yeah, I managed it once on DM. Dredmor himself wasn't all that hard, I had both invisibility and teleport powers when I met him, so wearing him down with thrown weapons from a safe distance was easy enough. Just be very careful and use those panic buttons whenever your health starts to drop to unsafe levels.
negativeashi Sep 4, 2013 @ 8:40pm 
Is using a melee build going to be harder to beat him with then? Or does it depend?
Haldurson Sep 4, 2013 @ 8:48pm 
Dredmor is definitely beatable with melee, particularly on the easier difficulties. Keep in mind that he has a respectable counter, and on GR, also a very high magic resist.
Mandragoren 209 Sep 5, 2013 @ 11:37pm 
The skills he uses being totally random among the skills he has available makes it a bit hard. You can have him just corrupt your gear every turn in melee, which is annoying but not really a problem, or he can hit you every turn with that lighting bolt attack which did (to my melee char on moderate with 13 lightning resist at the time) 70+ damage. So its a bit of a crapshoot, can be super easy or super super hard, but it can be done. Playing permadeath you really have to have an escape plan available, teleports, invis whatever, you have to have something to use to get away if things go pear shaped.

Good luck ^^
Chameleon_Silk Sep 9, 2013 @ 12:20am 
My buddy played on hardest difficulty and beat the game his first play, even had video of the final battle.
Haldurson Sep 9, 2013 @ 1:20am 
Originally posted by =LFC=Chameleon_Silk:
My buddy played on hardest difficulty and beat the game his first play, even had video of the final battle.
Was it permadeath or not? Had he played other roguelikes previously? There's a lot of very common features between them such that tactics that work in one will often work in another.

I don't recall where I heard the story, but someone claimed that he had been struggling with the game, then his girlfriend decided to give it a try, never having ever played a rogue-like before. Of course she was playing on the easiest difficulty, but she won the frist time, much to the humilation of her boyfriend.

A HUGE part of winning the game is a general mindset that you play very carefully, you don't act without thinking, that you are extremely observant at all times so that you don't miss things, and so on. This is ESPECIALLY true with Dredmor. Most newbie deaths, I'm willing to bet, come from not paying attention, making tactical errors because you were acting too quickly (such as allowing yourself to bet surrounded) and so on. So much of playing the game well comes from very simple careful play. Knowing the game's secrets helps of course, but there's so much thats so very basic.

Plus, if you've played similar games, there's some very standard principles that will help you, such as the concept of finding a choke point, or letting the enemy come to you so that you can get the first attack, and so on. Also, people who play rogue-likes know that to learn a game, you literally have to first try EVERYTHING. Don't know what an altar does? Play with it until you do. Don't know what a potion does? Drink it. Yes, you might die, but you'll know better for next time. And if you don't die, you'll have one added tool in your arsenal.

There's also a few traps in the game that some players coming from different kinds of games will fall into because they assume (wrongly) about how the game ought to be played. For one thing, this is NOT an rpg, and if you play it like you are playing a role, you can cripple yourself. It's like the person who refuses to pick up a crossbow or a wand because he's a big strong warrior. There's also what Rogue-like Radio called "The Hero Trap". In most rogue-likes, you are not 'the hero', you are a rogue. That means that there's nothing wrong with running away from a fight. There's nothing wrong with stealing from Brax. If you insist on playing as a hero, don't be surprised if you die quicker than people who don't play that way.
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Chameleon_Silk Sep 9, 2013 @ 1:26am 
Yea on permadeath.

He played a rougelike before, can't remember which one and he didn't have much experience with them but some.

I think it was his build + luck, that won him the game, he read some guides I'm sure before he decided on the clockwork knight and checked the wiki etc and then played smart.

I have played many times and never got to dreadmor although, close... usually die to something stupid after steamrolling my way down and get to over confident.
pretty sure i could beat it with that build too since its a good solid build.
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Failure Sep 9, 2013 @ 3:57pm 
I beat him on dwarvish with perma death and realm of the diggle gods, I was around level 28 and used only arrows and thrown weapons to kill him as my melee was to rsiky since he did big damage if I got too close
Xeous Sep 10, 2013 @ 4:11am 
Gotta be honest didn't even make it to Lord Dredmor yet with permadeath.
Haldurson Sep 10, 2013 @ 8:38am 
Most people who play rogue-likes are resigned to the notion that it's not about winning, it's about surviving as long as you can with the hand that you are dealt. Honestly, Dredmor is one of maybe 3 or 4 rogue-likes that I've ever beaten (and I've played or at least tried dozens of different rogue-likes over the years, starting with the original one, rogue).

Success in a rogue-like is purely about doing better than you've done before, learning lessons that can help you in your next game, and just having fun and trying new things. If you aren't dying in the game, that means you haven't been trying very hard.
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thekirkunited Sep 12, 2013 @ 3:20pm 
That being said, winning is very possible... just don't expect to do it in your first few runs.
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