mabd Dec 1, 2012 @ 12:39pm
Lord Dredmor impossible?
Normal difficulty. So I was having fun, not having much trouble during the game (I died a few times, mostly because I wasn't being careful enough)... then I got to Mr. Dredmor. I've tried about 10-20 times and I can't get his health below about 95%. He seems to block or dodge almost everything and my attacks do practically nothing. His attacks on the other hand are ridiculous and get me from ~120 down to ~3 in one turn (super lightning attack, not sure what it's called). I need to teleport away and close a door to heal every 3-6 turns and the maximum number of times I've done that without dying was maybe 3 - and still his health is above 95%-ish. I've tried melee, arrows, poison arrows or flasks, using every single potion and mushroom I have...

I hate posting things like this - and actually never do - but... what the hell? It makes me mad and sad... I was looking forwards to trying out other skills (even if on easy), but meh. I also hate HAVING to play in a specific way and boosting certain skills, instead of having fun and spending skill points wherever you want (ok, I can accept a certain degree of "power leveling", I just don't like things like "you NEED this skill or that skill or you won't finish the game). And well, my class isn't the best and I'm not that good at the game, I can see that, no problem there. I'm not even complaining he's too hard or that he's impossible in my game, I'm just saying he is TOO increadibly impossible XD Worst case scenario I guess I'll get used to the idea of "meeting Lord Dredmor and having a cup of tea" as being my main quest...

Anyway, wondering if anyone else had this little issue. (and sorry if this was posted before, didn't find it).
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Haldurson Dec 1, 2012 @ 6:39pm 
He's been beaten with a lot of different skill combos. I would not recommend melee against him, though. If you do have a melee build, you may want to collect all of the holy hand grenades you can purchase on the way down (They get to be fairly common in thrown weapon dispensers at level 10 and below, so it's not terribly difficult to have enough of them).

Dredmorpedia (which takes the stats directly from the game's data files) has his stats as follows (adjusted by your selected difficulty level):
Total Stats
[Blasting Damage] 4 [Crushing Damage] 10 [Necromantic Damage] 10 [Transmutative Damage] 10
[Asphyxiative Resistance] 20 [Conflagratory Resistance] 10 [Existential Resistance] 15 [Hyperborean Resistance] 10 [Necromantic Resistance] 20 [Piercing Resistance] 5 [Putrefying Resistance] 10 [Toxic Resistance] 20 [Transmutative Resistance] 10 [Voltaic Resistance] 10
[Burliness] 80 [Sagacity] 105 [Nimbleness] 75 [Caddishness] 90 [Stubborness] 120 [Savvy] 115
[Armour Absorption] 20 [Life] 375 [Block] 58 [Mana] 210 [Melee Power] 25 [Magic Power] 52 [Crit] 45 [Haywire] 57 [Dodge] 37 [Counter] 27 [Enemy Dodge Reduction] 25 [Magic Resistance] 60 [Sneakiness] 122

As you can see here, Holy damage is an obvious weakness (hence the holy hand grenades, but any ranged attack that does that is good). Also he only has 5 piercing resist, and piercing is a lot more common (especially if you collect bolts), and isn't covered by armor absorption. Plus you don't really need any special skill to use bolts, just get the best crossbow you can find.

Dredmor is nasty, but he's THE boss. So it would be disappointing if he weren't. But if you know what you are doing, even on GR, he's not that bad. If you can survive all the way to level 15, then you CERTAINLY have the capability to kill him. It's just a matter of knowing what to do and what not to do.
mabd Dec 2, 2012 @ 9:13am 
I now see how crappy I was. I was mainly rogue, but I was playing more melee. Anyway, I started a warrior now, lets see how that goes (on easy). I agree he needs to be nasty, seeing as he's the boss, I just didn't expect such a surreal jump in nastiness from level 10 monsters (I don't have the DLC's (yet!)) to the boss. I'll also keep an eye out for holy grenades.
thanks for the reply ;)
mefi Dec 2, 2012 @ 11:38am 
I've just killed him with melee character =).
Few good things: some skills may stun or paralyze enemies, pets can distract foes for few turns. That's great chance to attack with all your might =).

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=111263766
Metro Dec 2, 2012 @ 2:01pm 
No reason to melee Dredmor. By the time you get to him you should have more than enough arrows and bombs to dispatch him at range.
Essense Dec 11, 2012 @ 5:55pm 
Secret Anti-Dredmor Tricks:

Holy Hand Grenades
Clockwork Sawblades
and most of all Clockwork Drill Bombs. Drill Bombs are set up such that if you shoot him with several in a row, the damage grows exponentially. Hit him with 4-5 of the things in succession and you'll knock like half or more of his life off.
One Eyed Leftist Feb 23, 2013 @ 10:29am 
I wish I would have known this before hitting 15. It would be faster to play the game over from the beginning than to spend the next week scouring previous levels.

I don't see how holy hand grenades work, though, unless you have around 500 of them. I hit Dredmor with about 10 of them and it did little damage. The only way I can see having a chance of beating him is to try to have over 50 voltaic resist.. I can pretty much bounce back everything else at him.
twillight Feb 25, 2013 @ 10:53am 
Holy Granades hit a maybe 5*5 area blowing at each hex of it, dealing 10 rightous damage each time, should mean 90 damage per granade on Lord Dredmore with each granade.
But me too noticed they hit him only slightly and with a good crossbow I delt better damage (finished him under 100 turns or so).

The fight is mostly about stunning him or backing away, get healed imediatelly if he cast the voltaic spell, and just keep hitting him.
Haldurson Feb 25, 2013 @ 1:05pm 
Well it's primarily holy and piercing damage that he's vulnerable to, and piercing is the most common of the two. The most important point is that you should not try to melee him.
Evolve Mar 2, 2013 @ 12:48pm 
So you`re saying that you can play all 15 floors whatever you want and then you absolutely MUST fight with grenades/arrows. Thats just stupid and thats a huge minus to the develpers.
P.S. I beat dredmor when there were only 10 floors and it wasnt too hard, like 10 deaths and its okay, required to develop some strategy and stuff, but now i just get in sight and he easily 2shots me.
Last edited by Evolve; Mar 2, 2013 @ 12:48pm
R__Man Mar 3, 2013 @ 9:31am 
I beat Dredmor on normal difficulty just yesterday. As it turns out, the Battle Geology class is really awesome. Every time I was about to die, I just turned him to stone and ran away, perferably using an escape spell. But near the end, I just ate like 12 grundge ears and meeled him to death.
Last edited by R__Man; Mar 3, 2013 @ 9:32am
mefi Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:07pm 
Originally posted by :PC: R_Man:
I beat Dredmor on normal difficulty just yesterday. As it turns out, the Battle Geology class is really awesome. Every time I was about to die, I just turned him to stone and ran away, perferably using an escape spell. But near the end, I just ate like 12 grundge ears and meeled him to death.
I used same tactics :).
But I've killed him while he was in the wall.

Anything that can immobilize him or distract is a great choice.
Last edited by mefi; Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:09pm
Crossbow Mar 4, 2013 @ 8:59am 
Originally posted by mabd:
Normal difficulty. So I was having fun, not having much trouble during the game (I died a few times, mostly because I wasn't being careful enough)... then I got to Mr. Dredmor. I've tried about 10-20 times and I can't get his health below about 95%. He seems to block or dodge almost everything and my attacks do practically nothing. His attacks on the other hand are ridiculous and get me from ~120 down to ~3 in one turn (super lightning attack, not sure what it's called). I need to teleport away and close a door to heal every 3-6 turns and the maximum number of times I've done that without dying was maybe 3 - and still his health is above 95%-ish. I've tried melee, arrows, poison arrows or flasks, using every single potion and mushroom I have...

I hate posting things like this - and actually never do - but... what the hell? It makes me mad and sad... I was looking forwards to trying out other skills (even if on easy), but meh. I also hate HAVING to play in a specific way and boosting certain skills, instead of having fun and spending skill points wherever you want (ok, I can accept a certain degree of "power leveling", I just don't like things like "you NEED this skill or that skill or you won't finish the game). And well, my class isn't the best and I'm not that good at the game, I can see that, no problem there. I'm not even complaining he's too hard or that he's impossible in my game, I'm just saying he is TOO increadibly impossible XD Worst case scenario I guess I'll get used to the idea of "meeting Lord Dredmor and having a cup of tea" as being my main quest...

Anyway, wondering if anyone else had this little issue. (and sorry if this was posted before, didn't find it).
incredibly*
Cat and Mushroom Mar 12, 2013 @ 2:26am 
I've found a cheap shot on how to beat him: He's not immune to Unholy Warcry's (Viking Wizardry 4th skill) Fear effect. Try and get into UW's range, Fear him, keep chasing him and corner him (recast UW every 4-5 turns), and unload your bolts on him. Or for even easier win (due to the rate he blocks/dodges bolts), cast Grog's Tactical Pyre (Promethean Magic 5th skill) on his feet once he's cornered, and keep stacking it until he's dead. Make sure you can overcome his initial Fire resistance though.
Last edited by Cat and Mushroom; Mar 12, 2013 @ 2:29am
Dreamcypher Apr 28, 2013 @ 4:35am 
Sorry, but, "wouldn't recommend melee" is absolutely terrible game design.
So how do I beat him, as the character that I have, using hand-to-hand as I have been doing since floor one, without cheating, in melee combat, without holy hand grenades?

If you're unable to do that, why have melee be an option. Why have hand-to-hand be an option.

So basically the way to beat him is to download cheats from the Workshop. Fantastic.
Last edited by Dreamcypher; Apr 28, 2013 @ 4:37am
Mazey Apr 28, 2013 @ 8:37am 
It's possible to beat him in melee, it's just generally a lot harder, and you can't expect to be able to do it by just standing next to him mashing the attack button.
And, remember, a melee based character is still entirely capable of using crossbows. You don't need to cheat, just pick one up and some bolts to go with it.

Having "one way to do it" (which isn't even the case) isn't bad design if that way is available to every character and easy to acquire.
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