Definitely Not Batman Nov 20, 2013 @ 5:36pm
How realistic is it to beat Dredmor without lots of Piercing/Rightous damage?
As far as i know, Pierching and Holy/Rightous damage are the only types of damage Dredmor doesn't have crazy resistances to. I remember my first time beating Dredmor was on a run with Crossbows and tinkering (I think it was tinkering, i remember my bolts i was making getting better with each upgrade of the crafting skill) and then it took a long time to beat him even with all of that piercing damage. But if you're playing something that doesn't have a lot of piercing or rightous damage, is it realistically possible to kill him with semi normal means, like melee or Necronominomics?
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Haldurson Nov 20, 2013 @ 9:33pm 
Sort of...

There's the easiest way to kill him and the less easy ways to kill him. I like to think of it that way rather than what's 'realistic'. In simplest terms, there's 2 parts to killing dredmor once you've found him -- you need to exceed his resists with damage in order to do anything to hurt him, and you need to survive long enough to do the damage necessary to kill him. The less damage you are doing per turn, the longer you need to survive.

Technically, you don't need to do any piercing or righteous damage -- if you are doing enough other kinds of damage to exceed his resists, you'll kill him just the same, assuming you survive. It just happens to be easiest to do that with piercing damage, specifically.

I HAVE killed him with melee. Granted, I softened him up first with thrown and bolt attacks. My problem was that I was playing on NTTG, which meant that I didn't have as much in the way of ranged damage as I would have had I been playing in a normal game. I also was playing a mage, but wasn' t doing enough damage in that way to make a significant dent (and because of a curse and a bad/dumb choice of diggle gods, had severe mana issues). So out of frustration, I dove in and meleed him with my mage (I think I dual-wielded staves, if I'm not mistaken), and managed to kill him that way. So it IS possible.

I was going to say something about Dredmor's Necro resists, but I can't access Dredmorpedia this evening to get the numbers. So I can't comment specifically on the likelihood of exceeding his necro resist with spells. My offhand guess is that it would be extremely difficult, at least with the level 15 version of Dredmor. The level 10 version, of course, would have lesser resists.
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Definitely Not Batman Nov 20, 2013 @ 11:26pm 
I suppose I understand that well enough, and now it makes more sense why people say focus on one kind of damage instead of having lots of damage in spurts of 2 fire, 2 choking, 3 hyperborean etc.
Though it still kind of irks me to see skills that are pretty good most of the game and then useless against the endboss.
Definitely Not Batman Nov 21, 2013 @ 5:52pm 
So uh, I just found out that unless the wiki is wrong, Dredmor doesn't have explosive resistance. (I don't know if ANYTHING can have explosive resistance) And Eye Lasers counts as explosive damage. I think i know what i'll be doing, then.
Haldurson Nov 21, 2013 @ 8:56pm 
Dredmorpedia is back up this evening, and you are correct. I was unaware that he also was weak to blasting damage. Piercing is the one I usually recommend, since it's extremely common, often with very large damage numbers. But then Righteous and Blasting (thanks -- I learned something new) are suitable as well, if you have them.

As far as necro resist is concerned (which was what I was trying to deal with when I last posted), it's 20 or 28, depending on whether you are talking about the level 10 or 15 version. Both are fairly high, making it more difficult to hurt him with.
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Mazey Nov 22, 2013 @ 1:02pm 
Blasting counts as mundane damage, and so it's blocked by his armour.
Definitely Not Batman Nov 22, 2013 @ 2:39pm 
Why must you make me sad again.
Haldurson Nov 22, 2013 @ 10:45pm 
No, I'm not a journalist, but I do have some experience with writing, both professionally and as an amateur. If you attended east coast and major gaming conventions back in the late 80s and early 90s it's VAGUELY possible (though entirely unlikely) that you've seen my writing. The original title I wrote for was called "J.A.G." (for Jersey Area Gamers, the club that started the magazine), but the name was changed as the circulation increased (and for the life of me, I cannot recall what the new title was). It actually was a victim of its own success -- when circulation hit 1000 (no joke) it became too much of a chore for all involved to continue to work on it. It was big enough that a few game companies were actually sending us games to review.
C889 Dec 5, 2013 @ 7:39pm 
1. easiest way : use 3 magic skill.(and equip mage's items)
(1). Gag order(you can use sonic wand)
(2). The recursive curse(you can use other magic skill)
(3). Xeuclid's Translation(you can use Spatial Instability Infusion)

at first, use (3) Xeuclid's Translation to keep distance from dredmor.
second, use gag order to dredmor. he cannot use magic skill.
third, use '(2) The recursive curse' until dredmor can use magic.(click mouse fast->deals
huge damage while dredmor moves 1 block.)
and repeat.


2. use potions, wands, mushrooms.
[I killed dredmor with 44crushing(because of atom smasher), 13 piercing, 3 conflagratory, 3 toxic, 2 righteous, 1 putrefying, 5 transmutive, 6 aethereal, 29 asphyxiative]

Before fight, use and prepare items.
use : 5 grunge ear, 2 plumber's agaric, 1 the prince, 4 infernal potion, 4 hyperborean
potion, 4 voltaic potion, 1 potion of steeling, potion of lively regeneration.
prepare : potion of healing, fairywodger, coral wand, and (use)items more.
must prepare : sonic wand, zodiacal wand.

at First. use sonic wand.
and fight with only melee attack.
use zodiacal wand to recover your sight.
use pepared items.
and repeat.
ignore other monsters. they are weak.

3. dagger skill + encrusted item(dagger) + potions, wands, mushrooms.
First, encrust weapon until you don't have ingredients.

I used encrusted 'dagger of deadly imagination'.
piercing: 100~110
blasting : 50 ~ 80
slashing : 60~80
critical chance : 100~ 120

Believe dagger skill(two attacks one dagger).

sonic wand->my attack->teleport(debuff)->use regeneration potion, fairywodger,
eat some foods.
and repeat.

Before I lose all my health from debuff(inherited draining), killed dredmor.
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