HOW THE DEUS DO YOU BEAT DREDMOR?

[daconster]

IM MAXED OUT WITH ALL 10 star weapons and get a crit hit and Im dead

[Haldurson]

He's specifically vulnerable to righteous and piercing damage. He has a variety of spells and attacks which are used at random, so it's possible you just are not ready for him defensively. Although not absolutely necessary, there are ways to make him easier to deal with, such as specific abilities from Viking Magic or Magical Law. You CAN melee him, but as you saw, he can hit hard, so unless you are built for it, you may be better off killing him with thrown weapons (particularly clockwork Sawblades) and bolts. I don't know your build and gear so I can't really tell you what you did wrong. It's POSSIBLE you just were EXTREMELY unlucky, but my guess is that you just weren't ready for him. I've never been one-shotted by him, but then again, I play with permadeath, so if I manage to reach him, I know that I'm pretty tough (part of the issue with not playing with PD is that you aren't truly battle-tested, so you really don't know how good you are until you meet him or his slightly tougher cousin, Vlad Digula).

Things that help include magic resist, magic reflect, a variety of strong resists (which if you managed to reach him with Permadeath, at least the level 15 version of him, are likely decent).

If you intend to melee him, you'll want very good block and/or dodge in addition to everything else (resists, reflect, etc.) Nothing has to be perfect, and instead of worrying about maximizing any one stat, work on a more generalized toughness, because as I said, he has a variety of spells and attacks

In any case, invis potions, inky hoglanterns, and/or other ways of escape are good. If you see him, eat your best food, use your best defnesive potions, 'shrooms, and wands, and be ready to turn invisible or teleport away to heal if you get into trouble.

It's VERY tough to kill him only with magic, btw. You can hurt him but it will take a while.

I strongly recommend buying EVERY SINGLE CLOCKWORK SAWBLADE that you see on your way to him, especially if you are a melee build (thrown weapons receive melee bonuses, whereas bolts do not). They are probably the best single-target attack you can use against him (there are others that are really good, but clockwork sawblades feel like a magic death touch compared to the others).

[daconster]

I had a sword mainly with a dual wield dagger. Demonology, dodge and Im blanking on the other one. I was on easy, new to this genre with pd. I was wrecking everyone and step up to the plate with full health 143 and get annihilated by some lightning.

[Haldurson]

I can give you some general advice.
1. If you select dual wield + a weapon skill, the weapon skill's bonuses will be multiplied by 1.5 if you actually are wielding two of those weapons. So with dual-wield daggers, you'll (generally) do better with two daggers than a sword + dagger. One of the issues with daggers, though, is that really good ones are rarer than other weapon types, which is PROBABLY (I'm guessing) why you were wielding a sword.
2. Demonology is a funny skill. If you put too many points into it, you can cancel out some of the good things that it gives you. You either want to put 2 points into it, or 5 (never 6!!!). I STRONGLY recommend that you stop at 2. Demon Form sucks, pure and simple. On the other hand, Celestial Circle is awesome. Just keep in mind that if you move, you lose it.
3. Dodge itself is a decent skill, but I recommend that (at least for a beginner with a melee build), that you go with a more block-centric builds. If you are going to focus on dodge, you pretty much have to get lucky with the kind of gear that you get, as most really good armor has negatives to nimbleness.


That said, if you managed to get al lthe way to him having just started to play, well that's actually pretty good. Most peopel never beat him so don't feel bad about that. Roguelikes are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WON by most people! Keep that in mind. I know one person who actually WRITES roguelike games, and he admits that he's never beaten Dredmor, and has actually never beaten any game that he, himself has written.

the goal of a Roguelike is to get as far as you can get. And then learn from your mistakes, and do better next time (if you can). Just getting one level further or figuring out something you nevver new before, should be considered a vidtory. If you could get to Dredmor (even not having been able to kill him) you ought to be playing on a harder difficulty level. That also will help prevent you from reaching him when you actually are not even close to being prepared. That's really the worst part of playing on too easy a difficulty without PD, is that it's too easy to reach the end so you really can't tell how much your gear actually probably sucks.

[daconster]

Reccomend a skill set please

[daconster]

Got it. Sword. Assasin,Paranmormal investigator, Demonology, Hail odin,Shield, and armor

[Haldurson]

Here's a good thread contianing actual kproven skill combos:
http://community.gaslampgames.com/threads/the-builds-that-won-thread.5363/

Be careful though... even though the title of hte thread is 'the builds that won', that you can actually win with almost any build, some just require more skillful play and luck than others. Also a few posters didn't actually read the description, and a few of these skill combos were not on the hardest difficulty level meaning that 'your mileage may vary' (YMMV)

[Death_Adder]

I used this skill set and beat him...Axe, Crossbow, Thrown, Shield, Armor, Forging, and Viking Magic. During the fight, I used Invisibility potions I saved to set up the fight by eating and drinking other potions. I started to melee him because I had great items, but that was a mistake, so I went invis again, healed myself, started to Holy Hand Grenade, and Bolt of Mass Destructioning him. I did get the kill with one last melee hit though. Check out my screenshots for my stats and gear. I just think you have to have alot of HHGs and Bolts of Mass Destruction regardless of build.

[DarkTroZo]

Oh god, 1.3k hours played, you must really like this game lol.

[Haldurson]

You have to realize that I'm the kind of guy who forgets to turn off his PC when he walks away from it, sometimes overnight or all day. I have a bit of A.D.D. -- well a bit more than a bit, actually. Yes, I've probably played a whole lot, maybe more than any other game on steam, most likely. But I can't tell you how much of that time is really play time.

[DarkTroZo]

Origineel geplaatst door Haldurson:

You have to realize that I'm the kind of guy who forgets to turn off his PC when he walks away from it, sometimes overnight or all day. I have a bit of A.D.D. -- well a bit more than a bit, actually. Yes, I've probably played a whole lot, maybe more than any other game on steam, most likely. But I can't tell you how much of that time is really play time.

Haha, no problem, considering how many skill trees there are and how game-changing can they be this game is a huge time sink.

[BiskutMentega]

Easiest with tank build. Use that throwing axe thing I don't remember its name. Just throw stuff at Lord Dredmor, don't come near. Vegan skill gives really great boost for strength.

[[Lemons] w!z@rD]

Origineel geplaatst door Haldurson:

You have to realize that I'm the kind of guy who forgets to turn off his PC when he walks away from it, sometimes overnight or all day. I have a bit of A.D.D. -- well a bit more than a bit, actually. Yes, I've probably played a whole lot, maybe more than any other game on steam, most likely. But I can't tell you how much of that time is really play time.

> can relate

According to Steam I have played Magicka for over 1500 hours.

[KingCoward]

Personally i cant say how well mellee or heavy defensive characters do but on my mage character i happen to come across two spell reflect shields which i both equiped for the fight, i also had the teleport spell to keep distance, needless to say dredmor couldnt do all that much only thing that will still hurt quite a bit is the electricity AoE he cast periodicly which did about 50-60 damage.

[cruminal]

30 hours without success...soon though.

[tet5uo]

Origineel geplaatst door Lemons w!z@rD (◜◡＾)つ━☆・*:

> can relate

According to Steam I have played Magicka for over 1500 hours.

Yep. I have this little indie 2d flying game that I don't even remember playing that steam tells me I've sunk over 300 hours playing.