Large stalemate.

[alanwestrip]

So i have recently being playing on a pangea map as Russia. The difficulty is 7 ( i forgot the name, sorry!) and i have a question about stratedgy.

I inhabit the left side of the island and am surrounded by enemies. I have 16 cities, and 3 puppet states, so my production means are high. These cities have high defence values and i have a stockpile of over 32 nuklear weapons. My economy is highly dependant on China. Trade with them brings 670 gold per turn.

The problem is that me and china have had a large nuclear war in the past, which neither of us have recovered from. Our capital cities, despite having large gold turnover are small in population.

I am afraid of the consequences of a nuclear war. war with china would put my economy into the red and put my hapiness into the red as well. However i feel obliged to act as my other allies, the british and Americans, and preparing to strike back.

Does anyone have any tips on how to negotiate with china, or keep them on my side?

[BrownMamba]

break away of america and britain and just be neutral and watch what happens then jump on the winning side /// or slowly start to become more reliant on other means of money(this can be from other civs or just trade in general).

[americanman_4_life]

Slowly change out your Trade routes! As each one expires, and you need new destination, don't send it to China! Even if they're the most lucrative on your list! Make sure cities are up to date on financial buildings! With 16 cities in your Civ, if everyone is up to date on Financial Buildings... you should have a great income.

[americanman_4_life]

I don't know much about Russia! I could research em, but I havn't. Never played as them. I know playing against them... they, she, is annoying as hell! Lol.

However, besides building your financial buildings, making sure your Cities are up to date, other things might relate would be your social policies! The main one being the Commerce Policy. But you should still gain a little from some of the other policy trees as well!

Another factor many overlook... could be the size of your army itself! All the units in game will cost something! If you get some of the right policies though, they help with unit maintenance cost. Also, roadways cost! And RRs cost. But I mentioned the Commerce tree, cause the first policy available after you open Commerce is 50% reduction in roadway maintenance.

Religion choices could have big play, but if that late in game... choosing what you want is probably not an option. But some choices for religion could have big effects on your religion.

I once couldn't win in a domination game cause I was basically nuetral with another powerhouse on map. I was either Portugal or Brazil, I forget. Instead of war, not sure how they felt about me, I would occasionally offer something to him for free! In later game, as insufficient as it is... offer Iron 5x free to him! Thinking WHAT? Iron? When you offer something, the engine of game, or the coding, the AI will consider what your offering if its value is comparable to what your asking! So in late game, offering Iron for something of his, he'll say no. Iron is outdated, why would he want it? He won't. But offer it for free in diplomacy? Asking for nothing in the offer? Despite it being outdated, the AI will basically take anything free... every time! Suddenly you have a succesful trade of gifted item to Civ, and your diplomacy with him will increase! Once you get him happy for that, wait, offer another trade of something fairly equal! As another free item, if you have plenty luxaries of one item, like 5x Silk, or something... if he doesn't have, just gift it. He'll (they'll) love you for it!

Than try establishing mutually benefiicial trade. Luxary for Luxary. Or Lux for Lux and small gold or something! Once he accepts that, those offers stand for some amount of time, and he has something to lose if he goes to war with you, so he'll wanna keep at peace! As long as peace is standing, keep your trade routes going with them.

[PhailRaptor]

Originally posted by alanwestrip:

My economy is highly dependant on China. Trade with them brings 670 gold per turn.

So... you and China have been trading nukes in the past... and yet now you're both vital to each other's economic survival? That's beyond bizare.

Frankly, you're asking the wrong question. You shouldn't be asking how to keep China on your side. You should be asking how to break your economic dependance on China so their surivial is no longer a factor in yours.

Have you been building Markets, Banks, etc in every city? What does your Religion look like? Have you gone into Piety to make all your Temples into basically second Markets? Do you have alternative options for your Trade Routes that make comperable, or even superior income? You are obviously incurring a moderate to high military upkeep -- does your Ideology have access to the perk that reduces military upkeep? Do you have it?

It may also be worthwhile to ask what China could have been doing to upset Britain and America. I would assume a differing Ideology is at play?

[Walrick]

China will be on your side as long as it serves their interests. What victory-type are you and China aiming for, out of curiosity? If you know.

[alanwestrip]

Thanks guys. I have decided thanks to these posts to break economic depandance from China.