M.D. Chaos May 14, 2013 @ 9:06pm
What I think bioshock infinite really is and why the critics who praise this are wrong
Bioshock infinite wants to stand out from the shooter market in the gameplay and it doesn't succeed well since the combat is monotonous and repetative, removing things that weren't broken and what kept bioshock somewhat true to system shock, and little variety. The bioshock series started to become a spiritual successor system shock and now is a stock shooter which is bad because the combat in bioshock wasn't good so making a game based on the dull shooting is bad designing along with removing hacking,alternate ammo, and the weapon wheel which was made bioshock interestIng and varied. The only thing i found interesting was gear. Yes the story is amazing yes the setting is gorgeous but this is not a jrpg or adventure game it's an fps which irrational didn't do so well. The critics are only giving it critical aclaim is only because of the story and not the gameplay. As a story wonderful as a game i'd say average. The critics are ethier getting paid for saying really nice things or just really easily impressed. I am not saying bioshock is awful far from it I was hoping it was gonna deliver solid and fun shooting it did not. I really wanted to like it i really wanted to but i can not over look the main problem irrational should have put as much effort into the gameplay as much as the presentation. if you want an in depth look on this game go watch totalbiscuit's vid on the game he did such a well done and honest job on his opinion on the game
Here is the vid
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=YwuYhCgQWOc
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Psych May 14, 2013 @ 11:56pm 
Originally posted by Lord Chaos <=Marine=>:
I really wanted to like it i really wanted to but i can not over look the main problem irrational should have put as much effort into the gameplay as much as the presentation.

You should change this part of your post to, "I really wanted to like it, but I'm too much of a fan of totalbiscuit and I can't form my own opinion about it." Face it Lord, you haven't even finished Infinite yet. You clearly made up your mind that you wouldn't enjoy Infinite because of that review that he posted. The fate of the game was decided before you even booted it up.

Also, what exactly were you looking for in combat. Obviously something with more RPG elements like in the first Bioshock. But then again, you mentioned that the game isn't an RPG, or an adventure game, but a shooter. So what exactly do you want out of the shooter? Do you even know, or did you just let a Youtuber put words in your mouth?
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Max (INFINITE) May 15, 2013 @ 12:46am 
I completely agree with Psych and it's actually an interesting point. Before Total Biscuit posted that video where he said that the combat isn't good, there were no posts on this forum saying anything bad about the combat. After that video went up, a lot of people started stating this as well
Psych May 15, 2013 @ 12:58am 
Originally posted by Max (INFINITE):
I completely agree with Psych and it's actually an interesting point. Before Total Biscuit posted that video where he said that the combat isn't good, there were no posts on this forum saying anything bad about the combat. After that video went up, a lot of people started stating this as well

It's quite clear that these fans of his can't seem to think for themselves, and hang onto every word of his. I'm not saying that there aren't genuine critiques out there. But the arguments that people make about the combat being boring without saying why it's boring is just ridiculous. Just like every fps, there are guns that shoot fast, slow, and slower; but now with vigors. They've streamlined the powers. No longer do you have 3 different possessions that were each for a specific enemy, and the combat much more fluid in comparison to the clunky shooting in Bioshock. All that and I haven't even mentioned the sky-rails, which adds to the fluidity of the combat by allowing you tackle enemies from multiple areas at a whim. Most of the levels are quite open, which allows for the usage of these rails. If these factors doesn't make a shooter interesting, then what will? How much more do you have to add to it before it becomes more RPG than FPS? Do they even understand the difference between a linear game and linear level design? And it's only the Steam forums that are swarming with these people, nowhere else.
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Migz - DH May 15, 2013 @ 1:06am 
Discussions on whether gameplay was good or not began virtually right away.

--The video above was posted on 7 Apr 2013.

--Before that, Kotaku posted an article on the subject on 3 Apr 2013 http://kotaku.com/the-problem-with-bioshock-infinites-combat-468530143

--Also, on the Irrational Games forum, there were multiple threads discussing the combat. Here are three:
---- http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?228586-Name-One-Thing-You-Didn-t-Like&highlight=infinite+wasn%27t+good 2 Apr 2013
---- http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?226381-What-in-the-game-disappointed-you 30 Mar 2013
---- http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?222986-What-a-disappointment-this-game-turned-out-to-be-%28Spoilers%29&highlight=infinite+wasn%27t+good 27 Mar 2013



But, do talking heads affect people's opinions? Of course. Always have.


Edit-cleaned up the formatting a little
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Psych May 15, 2013 @ 1:10am 
Originally posted by Migz - DH:
Discussions on whether gameplay was good or not began virtually right away.

--The video above was posted on 7 Apr 2013.
--Before that, Kotaku posted an article on the subject on 3 Apr 2013 http://kotaku.com/the-problem-with-bioshock-infinites-combat-468530143
--Also, on the Irrational Games, there were multiple threads discussing the combat. Here are two:
http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?228586-Name-One-Thing-You-Didn-t-Like&highlight=infinite+wasn%27t+good 2 Apr 2013
http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?226381-What-in-the-game-disappointed-you 30 Mar 2013

But, do talking heads affect people's opinions? Of course. Always have.

Of course there are critiques, but those were predominately credible, instead of the shallow & ridiculous critiques that we've been getting on the Steam forums. It's gotten to the point where people are just posting a video of someone else's critique to make their point. That's how bad it is.
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EnderW May 15, 2013 @ 1:12am 
the funny thing is, the people who accuse him of not having an own opinion and just taking on that of TB, most likely are the ones who have no own thoughts and like the game solely because it was hyped and they are afraid to admit to any friend that it isnt that wonderful, because they are afraid to be thought of as stupid by them
Psych May 15, 2013 @ 1:13am 
Originally posted by AndreABG:
the funny thing is, the people who accuse him of not having an own opinion and just taking on that of TB, most likely are the ones who have no own thoughts and like the game solely because it was hyped and they are afraid to admit to any friend that it isnt that wonderful, because they are afraid to be thought of as stupid by them

Sounds like you're projecting. I've made plenty of arguments on this forum and stated my thoughts. And please take that stupid peer pressure argument elsewhere. This isn't college or high school. I'm posting anonymously on a forum. No friend of mine is going to see this, and nor would I care.
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TheDeathDealer1029 May 15, 2013 @ 1:16am 
People who like this game are 'wrong' because their opinion is different than mine and since my opinion is mine that means mine has to be right.
Nerevar's Goat Priest of Cassy May 15, 2013 @ 1:16am 
Originally posted by TheDeathDealer1029:
People who like this game are 'wrong' because their opinion is different than mine and since my opinion is mine that means mine has to be right.
That seems to be what 90% of people who hate on this game seem to think.
TheDeathDealer1029 May 15, 2013 @ 1:19am 
Originally posted by Commander Pewpew:
Originally posted by TheDeathDealer1029:
People who like this game are 'wrong' because their opinion is different than mine and since my opinion is mine that means mine has to be right.
That seems to be what 90% of people who hate on this game seem to think.
I know and it is annoying. People don't understand that opinions can't be wrong or right they are simply your personal opinion if you don't like the game that is your opinion it is not right or wrong same if you do like the game.
EnderW May 15, 2013 @ 1:24am 
what people dont understand is that you cant always hide behind sth being an "opinion". Yes everyone is free to like the game, but there are hard facts that show that a lot of stuff gameplay-wise has been done better before and could've been done better on infinite. Its not the super-shooter it is rated as by major reviewers, and thats a fact
Nerevar's Goat Priest of Cassy May 15, 2013 @ 1:26am 
Originally posted by AndreABG:
what people dont understand is that you cant always hide behind sth being an "opinion". Yes everyone is free to like the game, but there are hard facts that show that a lot of stuff gameplay-wise has been done better before and could've been done better on infinite. Its not the super-shooter it is rated as by major reviewers, and thats a fact
Actually, no. Improvments, or making it "Better" in your mind may be a downgrade in anothers mind. You dont see it as a "Supershooter" others do, that is pure opinion.
EnderW May 15, 2013 @ 1:27am 
yeah, we are all so liberate, its all opinions and if someone likes to eat ♥♥♥♥, its his own taste and no one can tell him that it doesnt taste good. What a wonderful world
Psych May 15, 2013 @ 1:27am 
Originally posted by AndreABG:
what people dont understand is that you cant always hide behind sth being an "opinion". Yes everyone is free to like the game, but there are hard facts that show that a lot of stuff gameplay-wise has been done better before and could've been done better on infinite. Its not the super-shooter it is rated as by major reviewers, and thats a fact

So what are these hard "facts", and how could these be facts when everyone has a different idea with what makes gameplay good? Aren't you just playing the, "People who like this game are 'wrong' because their opinion is different than mine and since my opinion is mine that means mine has to be right." card that TheDeathDealer1029 mentioned? Andre, your argument is flawed and you clearly not up to par when it comes to critical thinking. If i were you, I'd sit out this conversation.
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Nerevar's Goat Priest of Cassy May 15, 2013 @ 1:28am 
Originally posted by AndreABG:
yeah, we are all so liberate, its all opinions and if someone likes to eat ♥♥♥♥, its his own taste and no one can tell him that it doesnt taste good. What a wonderful world
To be fair, no you cannot tell them that. That is there own opinion, and you cannot tell them it is wrong. And your opinion on the game is in fact an opinion, enless you can prove to me 100% truthfully with sources that the game is ♥♥♥♥ as a FACT.
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