This or UFO Defense?

[PhilkIced]

I've played the new XCOM twice, one time with EU and another when I got EW, I really liked it a lot but after I discovered Xenonauts and tried it I found that I like that one a thousand times more, and a lot of people told me that the original XCOM games are way more like Xenonauts instead of EU/EW, so I decided to give it a try. Because of time issues I'll only play one.
Reviews point that they're both much similar, just that one is space aliens and the other is ocean aliens, so in your honest opinions which is funnier and why?

[Raumelch]

if you don't know Xcom:Ufo Defence then you shouldn start wth that .
tftd is more difficult and you can get into dead ends when you do the sience in a wrong way.

[nexusdan]

Terror from the Deep was my first X-COM game. I dont agree with Raumelch. I played it and I didnt have serious problems.

Btw, I have a Humble Bundle key for the pack, if you want to talk about trade it ;)

[Mhblis]

I prefer TFTD over UFO but honestly they are the same it comes down to a brown pallet or a blue pallet of colour. I just like the underwater setting and the aliens in it more.

If you choose either game make sure you get OPENXcom for it since it fixes many of the balance, bug and new system problems they still have. For UFO it also adds a bunch of Quality of Life features they put into TFTD i.e being able to open doors rather than ahving to walk through them.

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This is a link where you can look it up further and find OpenXCOM

http://www.ufopaedia.org

[Space Coward]

UFO Defense, this game will give you PTSD if you aren't a hardcore veteran to begin with.

Also, I highly recommend OpenXCom. It fixes the gamebreaking bugs and adds a lot of mutators to toy with, plus it runs natively in Windows. It supports both UFO and TftD, with an easy switch in Mods under Settings.

[anzacloner]

Originally posted by nexusdan:

Terror from the Deep was my first X-COM game. I dont agree with Raumelch. I played it and I didnt have serious problems.

Btw, I have a Humble Bundle key for the pack, if you want to talk about trade it ;)

Agreed its by far the most engrossing game.My fav.I remember hiring it for my playstation in late 90's thinking oh more than likely another small kids game,well like most I could not shut it off.

[76561198292631324]

Sometimes on STEAM I see negative reviews that start with: "I really wanted to like this game". Unfortunately, I should begin with the same my little rant on Terror from the Deep.

Three things:
(1.) It is a complete rip-off from UFO Defense - as long as we can call "rip-off" a product made by the same company - with but only some different layout, as well as fuzzy equipment names.
(2.) Fuzzy, entangling names of things. I could most hardly get what is what in this game, solely through analogy with UFO Defense.
(3.) Conceptual problems:
- granades under water fly just as they would in the air
- flying submarines that can pursuit each other roaming all around the globe, including continental skies, yet have no airborne weaponry and are able to dock only underwater or at the very shore.
- the game includes some additional complications: there are weapons that work only submerged, while missions happen both on the ground as well as within the blue depths below
- missions may get monotonous since they are usually big, especially the ships which happen to be just humongous.

If you have special sympathy to play Terror from the Deep, wait until OpenXcom provides decent feedback for it.

[anzacloner]

Dont forget the fact that Gollop was moved off this game and put on Apocalypse,and while some things the company improved were good they wanted all done in a hurry, hense all the bugs etc.

[76561198292631324]

I superficially know that story, even though is this the reason to indulge this games mistakes?

Apocalypse itself seems also a bit inopportune product, so actually long time after UFO Defense it is futile to look for a worthy sequel.

[anzacloner]

Well I would have about 2600 hrs on UFO Defense and now enjoy greatly the OpenXcom version.

[anzacloner]

The best thing I like about Apocalypse is the stop and go mode.Some of the firefights are really intense.Did not like old tme transports at all.

[76561198292631324]

Well, certainly, OpenXcom is a worthy product, even though it is fanbased - or maybe because it is fanbased, considering long experience of those who have delved into UFO Defense. Nevertheless, as long as the gameplay of basic X-COM from 1994 is pretty much well introduced, the Terror from the Deep includes couple of conceptual flaws according to my perception, once we take that it just copies its predecessor - in a way that leaves much to be desired, unfortunately.

If the developers wanted to include both air-ground and water environment, they could merge aspects of both UFO Defense and Terror from the Deep into one game, in sort of management of two simultaneous worlds dedicated to each of these aspects; represented for example by separate specialized bases. I hardly have any doubts, yet, that such game would be extremely complex and difficult, thus futile to be released with aspirations to major success. Noticing that, the gameplay would need to be severely simplified, primarily on the geoscape level. That would entail creation of a completely new system.

[76561198292631324]

About the X-COM Apocalypse, I was very happy when I heard it was released and excited when I finally had an opportunity to play it. The game disenchanted me, nevertheless. I played it shortly. It seemed overcomplicated - well, just like the original, but other way. It lacked the feeling of mystery, of that charisma the original has had. Fans say it is a greatly underestimated game, but lets look at it the neutral way: it probably gets what it is worth.

[PhilkIced]

Hey guys, thanks for all the advice and help, I ended up getting lucky and picking both on a sale and I had Apocalypse already, I didn't like Apocalypse honestly, a bit too fi and not enough sci for me (I know how ridiculous it sounds from someone who's ok with fighting laser dinosaurs underwater).

As much as I heard both in this thread and on the Ufo Defense forum that UFO is the best between the 2, I'm still playing this one too just because of the underwater stuff, I love underwater stuff, my favorite game of all times is Bioshock 2. (1 is nice too but I think it's one of the rare games where the sequel is better in every way instead of getting worse, sad how rare this is.)

[Space Coward]

Originally posted by PhilkIced:

Hey guys, thanks for all the advice and help, I ended up getting lucky and picking both on a sale and I had Apocalypse already, I didn't like Apocalypse honestly, a bit too fi and not enough sci for me (I know how ridiculous it sounds from someone who's ok with fighting laser dinosaurs underwater).

As much as I heard both in this thread and on the Ufo Defense forum that UFO is the best between the 2, I'm still playing this one too just because of the underwater stuff, I love underwater stuff, my favorite game of all times is Bioshock 2. (1 is nice too but I think it's one of the rare games where the sequel is better in every way instead of getting worse, sad how rare this is.)

This certainly isn't an example of a sequel being better in every regard. TftD beat me, not out of my own incompetence, but impossible odds. This would be acceptable if not for the fact that the game expects you to succeed anyway-- killing some enemies and leaving the mission incomplete should at least give you neutral score, but instead it's just a big damage controlling mess of a simulation.

[76561198292631324]

Originally posted by "Kill-Cam Celebrity":

This certainly isn't an example of a sequel being better in every regard. TftD beat me, not out of my own incompetence, but impossible odds. This would be acceptable if not for the fact that the game expects you to succeed anyway-- killing some enemies and leaving the mission incomplete should at least give you neutral score, but instead it's just a big damage controlling mess of a simulation.

In other words - you like it or not?

Originally posted by "PhilkIced":

fighting laser dinosaurs underwater

Thumbs up, even though I can hardly say whether this would be my type of play.

Originally posted by "PhilkIced":

I love underwater stuff, my favorite game of all times is Bioshock 2. (1 is nice too but I think it's one of the rare games where the sequel is better in every way instead of getting worse, sad how rare this is.)

Well, there are other prominent examples, such as Fallout 2, System Shock 2, Warcraft 2, Diablo 2, Mortal Kombat 2. Many great classical games that are sequels rock the boat until this day. With UFO Defense it is different, even though there are people that try to like Terror from the Deep. However, in case of importance and being a groundbreaker, the originals often matter more than their more improved counterparts released later.