Kayle Nov 11, 2012 @ 3:19am
SKSE framerates
Alright so firstly I feel I should say sorry if this already has a discussion thread about it.

Secondly, SKSE is causing framerate issues for me. Which is odd since my meandering around the internet came up with several posters claiming this was an impossibility.

Assuming they are correct I'm doing something stupid and very very wrong. Pity I can't figure out where this particular stupidity is :(

Bit more info is called for I suppose. Basically I recently bought a new computer and its pretty much a beast. I can run all modern games at their highest settings with no slowdown (no I'm not here to brag but it puts my issue into a bit more perspective :P) and that includes Skyrim of course. Now when I'm running the main game (with dawnguard and hearthfire installed) or even mods which don't require SKSE the game runs as I mentioned. Beautifully. However the minute I run it through SKSE I get about 5 FPS and that issue never goes away. Disabling SKSE and running it as before and the problem goes away. I read it was more likely to be an issue with one of the mods installed so I tried disabling them one by one till there were no mods actually being used by SKSE (actually there were no mods running at all by the end -_-) Still the same problem. SKSE itself seems to slow my game but that, as I said earlier, is supposed to be impossible.

Has anyone else had this issue and fixed it? It doesn't seem to be a common problem as the number of posts about it are minimal. If it isn't already apparent I'm a Skyrim noob when it comes to mods and how they work. I used NMM for a while but I figured the slow down may be coming from there so I tried deleting all of my NMM stuff and fell back on steam workshop subscriptions. Again no issues until I had to run SKSE so now.... now I beg for help from those far more experienced than I.

I'm not sure what information is relevant so I'll stop my post here (it's long enough as is) if you clever souls actually need certain bits of info from me I'll happily post whatever you need :)

Thanks in advance for the help guys.
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vSanjo Nov 11, 2012 @ 3:25am 
Can we get some information about your computer?
What you've read is correct, SKSE shouldn't really be able to cause framerate drops (of that level, for sure).
Just a short, simple test too - what happens when you look directly down/directly up in-game? Do we see framerate increases?
Have you also tried moving -through- many areas (fast travelling =/= travelling~!)?
I'm no expert, but i'm willing to help. (:
Kayle Nov 11, 2012 @ 3:50am 
Sure :)

My comp specs are as follows (in case it helps :) ):

CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 - 3630QM CPU @ 2.4GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Graphics card: GeForce GTX 670M
OS: Windows 7 ultimate 32-bit

(looking over the specs I may have overestimated my comp when I said "beast". The pride of a gamer? Well whatever.... I was right in saying I could run everything on maximum so.... so there.... :( )

In regards to movement: absolutely everything is slow. Looking up or down makes no difference. Even standing still I can see very choppy movement from torch fire on the walls. It's like the game caps its FPS at 5. Things like fast travel are slow as well, I suppose, since when I'm running the game normally the game loads in around 5 seconds or so but when I'm running it through SKSE my loading times can be upwards of 1 or 2 minutes. Actually playing the game is difficult with such low FPS so I can't say I've tested movement in many areas. I have tested this in only a few areas around the beginning of the game: The intro to the game, the dragon first attacking, once to see if it was an issue with lots of models being around I loaded a game to go inside my sparsely decorated house in whiterun and then I wandered out into whiterun itself. All the same issue. No matter where I went or what I was doing (save for opening menus) I was getting very choppy framerates.

Interestingly enough though if I open up a menu (inventory lets say) I can move through the menu screen with no trouble. Theres no delay when I press the various menu buttons but the minute I close the menu it goes back to choppy FPS.

Thanks for posting so quick by the way. :)
J3X Nov 11, 2012 @ 3:51am 
Try killing any anti virus program, they might interfere with skse.
Kayle Nov 11, 2012 @ 3:53am 
Turning off my anti virus program always makes me nervous :S Still thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it a try now and let you know :)
Kayle Nov 11, 2012 @ 3:58am 
Nope. Unfortunately there was no change in the issue by turning off my anti virus.
vSanjo Nov 11, 2012 @ 4:31am 
Yeah - don't do that. There's very few programs that antivirus (the better ones atleast) aren't smart enough to ignore.

I've rewrote this a few times because i'm just not confident of a solution.

SKSE has a few functions but the 'main' would be to use it as a 'middle-man' for creating more complex, intuitive mods through either injecting or loading.

I'm pretty confident it's a rogue-mod somewhere, loading. It may not interact with NMM, it may not even be visible to your unless you go searching - but it's something loading.

To figure it out, i'd think about what it's doing:
- lag is everywhere, ergo the mod is not a 'specific' mod. It could be something UI based, ENB-like or atmospheric - otherwise it could be something remaining with the character - a face-mod?
- looking down/up is a pretty easy way to test for graphic-related issues. Sometimes a bugged item will drag the FPS down, and looking into a corner, down or up can prove that. Since this isn't showing improvement, it's at least proving it's not anything like that.
- let's just ask the obvious; latest SKSE and tried with a 'fresh' version?
Kayle Nov 11, 2012 @ 5:03am 
As far as I'm aware I'm using the latest version of SKSE. The SKSE version which was the latest I could find was skse 1.06.05.... I think. Thats whats written in the folder I extracted it to at least. Course the .dll file in the folder also claims to be 1_8_151 but I have no idea if that refers to version or not. I'm really showing my techy ignorance here :P Now it's just occurred to me that I didn't provide this information in my opening post and it may be part of the problem. Not that I know enough about how this all works to be sure :P I'll mention it to be safe.

I followed the readme file provided with the download for instructions on how to install SKSE but found that 1 stage was missing. Or rather it wasn't mentioned. Now it IS possible I installed it wrong however I got my more tech savvy brother to look over how I installed it and he also said that it should work.

The readme made no mention of changing the .exe name from TESV however upon attempting to run SKSE it claimed not to be able to find TES_.exe so wouldn't run. I looked around and lots of people said just to rename your original .exe to TES_ and it should run. I did... and it did but with framerate issues. Is this the problem? Should I not have changed the filename? Was there another way to fix it to run?

In regards to possible mod issues. The only mods I have installed that would affect the environment is the realistic lighting mod and Xenius character enhancement mod. However both of those run OK without SKSE or I assume they do since theres been no message appearing that they can't run without it and the game certainly LOOKS better and has no slowdown. I've tried disabling all mods and running the game through the SKSE loader alone and it still showed the slowdown of FPS but again I don't know how these things work. Disabling all mods and then running SKSE may have confused it but I doubt it.

I did have a hell of a time getting Skyrim to actually work on steam though. Maybe one of my "fixes" is causing issues. I'll quickly list them and see if any of those might mess around with SKSE.

Firstly the game wouldn't run since I got the game is unavailable (steam error 53) for a while. So I had to re-install steam by deleting all the files save for appdata and steam.exe. Then Skyrim ran OK. Then I had an issue where it would continuously test what settings I should run the game on everytime I clicked play. It would check my computer recommend a setting and reset any choices I had made the previous time I had clicked play. I followed another thread on the internet and altered the .ini file so it wouldn't keep checking everytime I loaded Skyrim. Lastly I had the resolution issue where even when I set Skyrim to full screen it would continuously put it in windowed. Had to set my resolution in the config file.

THEN it would run. So Skyrim (at least on my machine) has proven to be a bit buggy right from the get go. Could ANY of these "fixes" be messing with my SKSE?

Sorry for the wall of text, but I thought I should probably add info as I thought of it and if it had any chance of being relevent :)
Matdo Apr 20, 2013 @ 6:56pm 
Did you ever end up getting this working? I am having the same issue and cannot get it working.
mike.loux (Tempus Frangit) May 12, 2013 @ 12:46pm 
Just tried the latest SKSE as of today (1.06.13, I believe). Same problem as the OP. When I run Skyrim through SKSE, saved games take upwards of 3 minutes to load, and the framerate absolutely sucks. Run Skyrim from the normal exe, and it's fine. Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Guess I just will have to live without it. *sigh*. I haven't feel the need for it in the 18 months I've been playing Skyrim, so I guess I haven't been missing out too much. :-)
Camper Strike (Banned) May 12, 2013 @ 1:17pm 
Chances are, you guys have a mod installed that isn't compatible with the new version of the SKSE.
dAb May 12, 2013 @ 1:34pm 
No, SKSE itself can't cause framerate drops. Mods that make use of SKSE functions, yes. You're either overloading your mod setup or you have a malformed mod in your load order.

And no, disabling one mod at a time won't help you here: if it's scripts related you're supposed to *uninstall* them one at a time so you get rid of the scripts as well.

Note, however, that the above won't do any good to your game save. Once you have tracked down the offending mod you'll likely have to start a new game.
mike.loux (Tempus Frangit) May 13, 2013 @ 8:01am 
And, quite frankly, SKSE is not worth the trouble, if that is the case. I got SKSE to make my mod experience better, but if I have to get rid of mods to use it, then that totally defeats the purpose. So screw it.
sporecow May 13, 2013 @ 8:55am 
did you download the "Skyrim: High Resolution Texture Pack (Free DLC)". If you did remove the three check mark from it. I had same problem with lag in the game.
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Camper Strike (Banned) May 13, 2013 @ 11:17am 
Originally posted by mike.loux:
And, quite frankly, SKSE is not worth the trouble, if that is the case. I got SKSE to make my mod experience better, but if I have to get rid of mods to use it, then that totally defeats the purpose. So screw it.

No mod is incompatible with SKSE... I said the OP might've upgraded a mod but forgot to update his SKSE, or the other way around.

Not to mention more than half of the Nexus' mods use SKSE.
mike.loux (Tempus Frangit) May 14, 2013 @ 1:38pm 
Originally posted by sporecow:
did you download the "Skyrim: High Resolution Texture Pack (Free DLC)". If you did remove the three check mark from it. I had same problem with lag in the game.

I did indeed. Maybe that's the key. I'll give it a try the next time I'm feeling adventurous. And, if memory serves me, there are better texture mods on Nexus anyway.

Originally posted by Muted:
Originally posted by mike.loux:
And, quite frankly, SKSE is not worth the trouble, if that is the case. I got SKSE to make my mod experience better, but if I have to get rid of mods to use it, then that totally defeats the purpose. So screw it.

No mod is incompatible with SKSE... I said the OP might've upgraded a mod but forgot to update his SKSE, or the other way around.

Not to mention more than half of the Nexus' mods use SKSE.

I have not yet experienced the joys of Nexus, to be honest. I've been lazy and stuck to Steam. Because of that, all of my mods are (AFAIK) using the latest version, so if I need to disable a mod in order to not get the lag with SKSE, I would rather avoid SKSE altogether.

Of course, I have heard that some mods are updated more regularly on Nexus...
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