SABINA Nov 4, 2012 @ 7:15am
If I have a hard copy disc of Skyrim, why do I need Steam online to play?
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Ξ_KILLDOG_Ξ Nov 4, 2012 @ 7:28am 
Its a way to have DRM on the game and it is used to stop pirecy,even though it doesn't work and at times makes the games run slower
Cyrax Nov 4, 2012 @ 7:43am 
Originally posted by SABINA:
Isn't there a way to just play the game without Steam?
Not a legal way.
Lisa1162 Nov 4, 2012 @ 8:00am 
under your " steam " tab im the top left corner, select the " go offline " option... should restart steam offline, so you will not need to be online.
legwon Nov 4, 2012 @ 8:32am 
2 reasons from 2 different sides of the track...

1...
they are tracing where ppl are playing and what they are playing in order to make new games and put sales on in certain areas. watching what ppl play is so that they can report to the manufacturers and get them to make more games of the same, so ppl will spend more money.

2,,,
F******* big brother, tracking every movement. making sure we are all brain dead hosers, that cant (dont want to) fight the system. some ppl think that systems like Steam have reporting bugs for illegal software and the such.
WeaselBiggs Nov 4, 2012 @ 8:36am 
There's nothing out of the ordinary going on. STEAM might be DRM, but it's one of the least intrusive forms of DRM we've got. Ubisoft might have backed down from its previous practices, but that doesn't mean they're really after customer convenience.

As far as I know, STEAM doesn't take up an insane amount of resources and unless you completely forget your credentials, it eliminates the hassle of having to keep physical discs around. I bought Skyrim on retail too, but that's largely because I want to spare myself the occasional 6 GB related to installation. That's a lot gone in a single shot, depending on how generous your ISP feels. Being able to work from disc saves me that much bandwidth.

Other than that, however? There's no reason to buy much of anything physically in the PC gaming scene, these days - not when STEAM and even Origin pack their image file-creating tools so you can burn your purchased content on a CD.

Legwon's right. This is an issue you can look at from either a pragmatic or paranoid angle. One the one hand, you have them needing to track sales somehow, in order to tailor their promotions and deals. Valve likes to keep abreast of its user base's specs on the average, for instance, and I don't see that as an invasion of privacy. It lets them know if they need to stock more "core" games, or if less demanding software is what's currently dominating purchase trends. On the other, you can go hog-wild and assume that because you've run into phishing accounts, then ALL of STEAM is utterly and completely corrupt.

Which would be fairly ridiculous. Valve has nothing to do with the phishers trying to get you to purchase games for them or to snatch your credit card number. Plus, hey - all the people in this thread are real people. So no, the community isn't dominated by scammers.
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legwon Nov 4, 2012 @ 8:38am 
Originally posted by SABINA:
Why do I have to have an online Steam account to play an offline video game that I bought at Wal-mart?
ikr, a freind of mine has a gaming pc that isnt connect to net. and that is for a reason. how in the blue hell is he gonna setup, FORGET play the game if he has no connection to net on that pc?? but skyrim isnt his kinda game, so he lucked out on this one..lol

ALOT of ppl dont care either way.. aslong as they can play it .


Originally posted by SABINA:
Not trying to be inflammatory, really, just not getting any answers that make sense. I feel ripped off. Do I have to buy an Xbox to play Skyrim without Steam? Or are they the overlords of that too?
theres no steam on Xbox, but u still need net for updates and such.


Sabina, the best u can do for PC, is to turn off updating, steam cloud, and steam splash in game. other than that... it requires steam to be on :s
legwon Nov 4, 2012 @ 8:43am 
i totally agree with u on all points..
however the bank account, i dont see that happening. Steam runs thru PayPal, and ONLY when u ask it to, u have to sign in like any other site.
WeaselBiggs Nov 4, 2012 @ 8:47am 
Originally posted by SABINA:
I see. so it's a matter of targeting demographics like any other corporate manipulators. now they have my email and I've been getting TONS of bogus phishing mail, lots of "friend" requests from obviously fake profiles (some red flags are 0 game time, multiple user aliases, no real info...), now how long before I see my bank account read a big fat goose egg?

Easy, friend. Easy.

There's ways to solve this. First of all, always and forever use a second or third email address to subscribe to services, even STEAM. Never use your own. As for the fake friend requests, as with all phishing attempts, they'll stop soon enough if you ignore them.

More to the point, I'm really surprised with what you've been describing. I've had STEAM since the days of Half-Life 2, and I've *never* run into fake accounts. I've never even received a single email from Valve or even my STEAM buddies, and all of the people I've befriended are real, honest, serious players.

Where are your content servers set at, if you don't mind my asking? I'm from Canada, I'll assume most of us here are American or from the UK - it just feels like I would've heard of more scammers and phishers before. Yet here you are - dropping the first instance of actual attempted fraud I've heard of on this network.

Maybe I've just been blind, but I'm just bouncing my question off to the other peeps in this thread. Anyone else been approached by would-be phishers or so-called "red flag" accounts?
legwon Nov 4, 2012 @ 8:52am 
Originally posted by LEAM1983:
More to the point, I'm really surprised with what you've been describing. I've had STEAM since the days of Half-Life 2, and I've *never* run into fake accounts. I've never even received a single email from Valve or even my STEAM buddies, and all of the people I've befriended are real, honest, serious players.
wow!! ur lucky. been here only a few months and had 4 in the last week alone.

Originally posted by LEAM1983:
I'm from Canada,
so am i :D lol


Originally posted by LEAM1983:
Maybe I've just been blind, but I'm just bouncing my question off to the other peeps in this thread. Anyone else been approached by would-be phishers or so-called "red flag" accounts?
yup.....
WeaselBiggs Nov 4, 2012 @ 9:02am 
Originally posted by SABINA:
see, there you go asking me for server info... i don't need this

Oh, for Pete's sake...

Check my account. Check my Community page. Check my game stats. If you're going to assume I'm of the mind that slipping some nice little 419 on STEAM would be a good idea, you're sorely mistaken.

I asked because knowing where STEAM gets your game files from would allow us to determine your very, very, very broad and general location. This might be racist but if you're getting your games cached from somewhere in Africa, for instance, then maybe you're just bumping into the usual culprits for actual 419. In which case, neither I, Valve or STEAM has anything to do with it.

Even without that, Sabina - who knows? Maybe you're just the one unlucky guy who's getting his account flooded, maybe someone figured out how to tap into STEAM's user databases and extract info, thereby having a way to flood you with spam, or maybe you just generated this account from a site that wasn't actually endorsed or created by Valve!

Here's what we keep telling you:

1. STEAM is online DRM. No Internet connection? No games. Period. Your other options are illegal. While scene groups generally aren't jerks, you could always land into a virus-laden repack on some torrent site. Ergo, going legit is the easiest and best option.

2. STEAM needs to track some of your stats to figure out what to sell to you. It's the same way a store owner needs to keep track of what people buy, so he doesn't invest in the wrong stock. As for them storing your credit card? They don't. Paypal does, and Paypal encrypts everything. Even they don't know which snippet of data relating to one card somewhere belongs to whom, and they certainly can't exploit that.

Personally, I'd add the following: this is 2012; a lot of stuff gets done online. I buy my games, some of my clothes and pay all of my bills *and* my rent online. I pay my tuition fees online, as well. If you're still dead-set in the idea that you need to leave as little traces online as possible, you're going to miss out on a lot of practical and almost universal services. Who knows how how much longer you'll be able to actually drag yourself to the bank to pay your bills, for instance?
Ξ_KILLDOG_Ξ Nov 4, 2012 @ 9:08am 
Originally posted by SABINA:
Bummer. seems kinda fascist. shoulda said something on the package when I bought it at the store, from Wal-mart, not online. I mean, it's a 1 player game, why does it have to be online? It's like i don't even own it the disc I payed for.
It does say it
J3X Nov 4, 2012 @ 9:40am 
Use steam in offline mode. - problem solved.
One should have at least some technical knowledge, and social manipulation detecting skills, before connecting to the web. It's common sense.

Your nationallity does not matter, enjoy your futile legal attempts (did you even read the EULA?)
WeaselBiggs Nov 4, 2012 @ 9:40am 
Ah. There. See, was that hard?

So you've ruled out the hypothesis I had, which was that you were in a neck of the woods where the phishing culture is more prevalent. Good.

Also, you did see Legwon respond to me, did you? As it turns out, some people *have* been harrased by email. All I know is I summarily untick any box from any subscription agreement that would ask me if I'd like to receive promotional material. I've had STEAM since it first came out, and I've never been bothered by any kind of 419 attempt. I guess I'm just insanely lucky, then.

Also, remember this - a lot of phishers trawl through the customer databases of services like STEAM. They're not a part of Valve in any shape or form, but they know that gaming sites or services like this one are a good way to nab yourself a nice slab of active addresses. Hence why I said you were better off making a junk email with Gmail or Microsoft's Live service to subscribe to things like this. I wouldn't even trust Electronic Arts and Origin with my personal email.

Feel free to go as lawsuit-happy as you'd like, but I seriously doubt Valve can be faulted. At best, their database got hacked and you got picked by a bunch of scammers looking for marks. As for the red flag accounts - that's a new one for me. Most gaming message boards are infested with comment bots leaving links to dodgy wholesale markets, but I've never even seen a single one on here. Not through the comments, and certainly not through the Steam chat. I've never been accosted by a single anonymous pubber with a dodgy deal. The dodgiest things I've ever received were TF2 hat trade requests - and that's because some kids are awful at bartering. XD

As for this requiring you to be a "techie genius", I beg to differ. This is just smart online behavior. Any Saturday-morning tech collumnist could tell you this. Any moderately savvy forum user could, too. If you have just one email and link everything to it for the sake of supposed convenience - you're doing it wrong. Convenience is knowing which services are going to bombard you with messages on a daily basis - like employment sites or certain insistent marketplaces like Amazon - and linking those to an account you don't mind getting flooded.
legwon Nov 4, 2012 @ 9:50am 
Originally posted by LEAM1983:
Ah. There. See, was that hard?
Also, you did see Legwon respond to me, did you? As it turns out, some people *have* been harrased by email. All I know is I summarily untick any box from any subscription agreement that would ask me if I'd like to receive promotional material. I've had STEAM since it first came out, and I've never been bothered by any kind of 419 attempt. I guess I'm just insanely lucky, then.
ive not been bothered thru email.. but thru 'steam friends' and 'steam messaging'.
i have 0 friends on steam, and ppl try to add me like im their best bud, meanwhile i have no clue who they are or where they came from. never talked to them b4. ..l..
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WeaselBiggs Nov 4, 2012 @ 9:56am 
Originally posted by legwon:
Originally posted by LEAM1983:
Ah. There. See, was that hard?
Also, you did see Legwon respond to me, did you? As it turns out, some people *have* been harrased by email. All I know is I summarily untick any box from any subscription agreement that would ask me if I'd like to receive promotional material. I've had STEAM since it first came out, and I've never been bothered by any kind of 419 attempt. I guess I'm just insanely lucky, then.
ive not been bothered thru email.. but thru 'steam friends' and 'steam messaging'.
i have 0 friends on steam, and ppl try to add me like im their best bud, meanwhile i have no clue who they are or where they came from. never talked to them b4. ..l..

I used to think this happened to me too, but it was usually a case of me not immediately remembering that I played with this or that guy on Left 4 Dead 2 a couple nights ago. I wasn't a ♥♥♥♥ to him so he figured he'd friend me for some extra common session.

I wouldn't really consider those to be phishing attempts. :)
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