fran25 17. kesä, 2013 19.47
Lessons I learned from People Who know More Than I Do
The first thing to do is to download the unofficial patches. Your game will run smoother if it is running now. Then start with mods that are not SKSE. Do not try to Walk before you crawl if you are new to this.

Set your level on Novice for a while your skills will not improve as much but you will be able to stay alive.

As you grow in experience up your level to adept first that is the default level. Add more mods 1 at a time if the game will not start you have a mod conflict so one of the mods has to go.

I am no expert but I have over 1300 hours. I have been taught how to play by people a lot smarter than I am and I can use SKSE since I have it installed but choose not to.

Not counting the patches I have 54 mods and all work together as a charm. Remember someone who made a mod can change it at any time so let the game go through the checking of mods looking as it checks to see if a mod has been changed.

I have friends that have 130 mods or more that work like a charm but for me what I have is enough. This one game can last you until Elder Scrolls 6 with all the twists and turns.

Adult Mods are just anamition over and over I added one but it is gone now and I do not miss it.

Some great mods are cheat mods in the begining it will help you remember you can delete them later as I did. Except for one I keep because I am fond of it.

Good luck to all of you I was in your place at one time. The only new mod I have added is Helgen Reborn but you have to get out of Helgen the first time before using it.

I have not used it but downloaded it from Nexus it is too big for the Steam Workshop and promises 6-8 hours more game time.
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Askar 17. kesä, 2013 19.54 
I'd disagree with the difficulty recommendations. Don't start on Novice unless you really feel you need to, I'd try starting on Adept, and if it seems too easy move up from there. You want to find a difficulty that's challenging for you, but not frustrating. For a lot of people, that's usually Expert difficulty, and eventually Master once you've been playing awhile.

Difficulty can also vary from character to character, as some characters are simply harder to play. Never be afraid to turn the difficulty down for some section if you're stuck, but try to think of it as a last resort. The game feels good when you're winning, but it feels way better when you have to work for that win.
Hellsing 17. kesä, 2013 20.00 
i started on master diffuculty im thinking of bumbing it up to legendary i killed gaints in 2 hits with a regular deadric bow and iron arrows no mods to make them stronger and i can do it before im detected and i still play on master
Viimeisin muokkaaja on Hellsing; 17. kesä, 2013 20.00
[KL] Master Dan [StormCats] 17. kesä, 2013 20.10 
Brilliant thread Fran..I will add to it by addressing to noobs to try the game first in Vanilla (basic non mods) so that you can get to know the standard base game and it's properties. Then, if you are all out for modding the heck out of it, you will know what vanilla (basic) is like and will more clearly understand the alterations to your game. Simple point, some might not heed that advice but to know your mods well is the key to fixing them if and when they encounter problems.

Look up Gopher's Vids, on Youtube. This guy is like the preacher of the Elder scrolls modding doctrine..He has made 'official' (within a certain capacity) tutorials with the blessings of the modders themselves, and this provides audio / visual demonstration to installations and management of mods as well as literary instructions.

Good job Fran..nice thread.
Viimeisin muokkaaja on [KL] Master Dan [StormCats]; 17. kesä, 2013 20.10
fran25 17. kesä, 2013 20.40 
Askar lähetti viestin:
I'd disagree with the difficulty recommendations. Don't start on Novice unless you really feel you need to, I'd try starting on Adept, and if it seems too easy move up from there. You want to find a difficulty that's challenging for you, but not frustrating. For a lot of people, that's usually Expert difficulty, and eventually Master once you've been playing awhile.

Difficulty can also vary from character to character, as some characters are simply harder to play. Never be afraid to turn the difficulty down for some section if you're stuck, but try to think of it as a last resort. The game feels good when you're winning, but it feels way better when you have to work for that win.

The only reason I suggested to start on novice is to get a feel for the game. You can update when you are halfway through Helgen if you are ok with it.

Many of these people seem completly new to Computer gaming from the posts they are making since the legendary version came out. That is why I suggest Novice.

Crawl before you can walk if you have no experience. You can always start over with so many races to play you can play forever. I have even gone back and done quests at a higher level for added enjoyment. Also save often do not depend on autosave too much.

Thanks Master Dan.
Viimeisin muokkaaja on fran25; 17. kesä, 2013 20.44
lanlyn 17. kesä, 2013 21.11 
Another suggestion: New players should definitely take a look at the Guides section of the Skyrim Community here. They can find help with character building, basics tips, installing mods, optimizing settings, help for low-end computers, walkthroughs.

So many basic questions could be answered by looking at some of these guides.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/guides/
Viimeisin muokkaaja on lanlyn; 17. kesä, 2013 21.14
fran25 17. kesä, 2013 21.20 
Great point Ianlyn.
Big Boom Boom 17. kesä, 2013 21.21 
Started on Master back on 11/11/11. Switched to Legendary as soon as patch 1.9 gone live (not beta, though Bethesda messed up CTD on save in Waking Nightmare). I would say that for anyone who has ever played an action game, you could start right on Expert/Master. Unless you have never been into gaming before, ever, then don't start on anything under Adept. The game is built around being very casual already, playing on too easy difficulty and you hardly want to play for long.
fran25 17. kesä, 2013 21.24 
Big Boom Boom you can change the difficulty level at any time. For some players it might be a good idea to start small and then go to a harder game.

A hard game will only discourage people from playing in my opinion and restarting or bumping your difficulty level up after you are comfortable as I have said in my opinion is a better way to go.

I really doubt if anyone is going to get bored with Skyrim even on Novice at the Begining.

In fact one poster said he played through the entire game the first time on Novice because he did not want to die.

Please realize I respect your opinion but you seem more gifted than the average gamer.
Viimeisin muokkaaja on fran25; 17. kesä, 2013 21.26
pike 17. kesä, 2013 21.34 
i think the games difficulty level really doesn't mean much to a lot of people , with console commands and mods to make chars so strong that playing on "master" means nothing . the rest of us are going to find that sweet spot where the game is fun, challenging , but not frustrating ,

fran25 17. kesä, 2013 21.37 
pike lähetti viestin:
i think the games difficulty level really doesn't mean much to a lot of people , with console commands and mods to make chars so strong that playing on "master" means nothing . the rest of us are going to find that sweet spot where the game is fun, challenging , but not frustrating ,

This was only a reference to new players you are totally right people will find the mode that suits them as the game goes on and will probably restart like I did. I remember how afraid I was of the console at the begining. Many xbox and playstation gamers are having that fear now.

Viimeisin muokkaaja on fran25; 17. kesä, 2013 21.38
lanlyn 17. kesä, 2013 21.45 
I hadn't played Oblivion for years when I started Skyrim, had forgotten how true action real-time battle needed to be done. The most recent games I'd played were the Dragon Age 1 & 2 series which have a much different feel to fighting (IMO). In most Bioware games, you can pause during battle, set up strategies and several hotkeys before hand, program specific tactics for companions. Ranged aiming seems easier than it does in Elder Scrolls, and so is targeting enemies in general (to me).

Anyway, after a few minutes of fighting in Skyrim, embarrassing myself in front of followers (HA!), I admit, I lowered the difficulty level down one notch until I could get used to that style of fighting again. Now the moves are becoming second nature to me, and I can handle a bit more challenge.
Big Boom Boom 17. kesä, 2013 22.18 
Adept difficulty being default, is because Bethesda expect (after various testing) majority of players comfortable starting with that difficulty.
fran25 17. kesä, 2013 22.31 
That is true my suggestion is for new players. It doesen't matter the difficulty level can be changed any time during the game so the point is not important. I still reccommend to anyone that has not played an Elder Scrolls game starting on Novice it is there for a reason also.

We will will have to agree to disagree on this n Big Boom Boon.
lanlyn 17. kesä, 2013 22.52 
Difficulty levels can affect how skills level too, so switching them around at times may help with increasing either weapon skills or armor. Here are a couple of examples taken from the Elder Scrolls Wiki:

◾Using a higher difficulty results in unbalanced skill developing. As you need more hits to kill an enemy you'd generally have higher weapon skills, but many enemies can kill you in a couple of hits, so you'd have to evade their attacks, and armor skills remain undeveloped.

◾If you wish to level a certain skill the difficulties can be very beneficial. Two examples are weapon leveling and armor leveling. For Example if you begin the game and go to helgen keep, set the difficulty to legendary, and start hacking away at Ralof, (crouched while weilding a Iron Dagger) you will soon realize that his extra health will keep you from having to wait on him to recover. However on the inverse: if you set the setting to Novice and go to a dungeon, put on the set of armor you wish to level (I.E. Light or Heavy) and grab a mob and make them slash away at YOU. You might soon realize how much of a difference the difficulty will play when farming.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Difficulty

BTW: Look at the chart on that page. There is another difficulty level between Novice and Adept: Apprentice.
Rhuto 17. kesä, 2013 22.56 
To tell a Player to start on novice is much better then to tell a Player to start on Expert/master.

If he find the way to change from Normal (Adept) to Novice, then he/she can evaluate their skill, and by that find the right difficult for themselves....they raise the difficulty...they have a victory

If we recommend them to play on Expert/Master, and they die a lot in the start, they are more likely to not get the same fondness of the game....because they will feel ""defeat"" since other recommend this difficulty, and they seems not up to it....they have a loss..

We can always brag about our own skills...... but that is not the way to go, if you want to lead a Novice to Victory....which I think was Fran's intention :)
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