Anethual Mar 5, 2013 @ 4:48am
My Redguard is pretty ♥♥♥♥ed at Bethesda.
Malachius (badass-baller-warrior) walks into a city of stone called Markarth. He sees a man in ragged clothes draw a dagger and move aggressively towards an unsuspecting woman who is buying jewelry for her sister. Malachius draws his greatsword and runs the man through before he has a chance to hurt the woman.
The citizens in the market are startled and a woman cries out that the forsworn are in the city. A guard appears on the scene and denies the presence of forsworn within the city. A young man approaches Malachius and hands him a note while putting on all airs of subtlety and inconspicuousness. The note simply says to meet Eltrys at the shrine of Talos.
Malachius goes to the shrine and talks to Eltrys to find out that he is investigating the connection between the forsworn and a string of recent murders. Eltrys beseeches Malachius to aid in the investigation.
Malachius begins his investigation by questioning the would-be victim of the forsworn attack, Margaret. He soon discovers that she is a spy of general Tullius attempting to acquire the deed to Cidhna Mine.
On his way to question the owner of Cidhna mine, Thongvar silver-blood, Malachius is stopped by a guard who warns him to mind his own business and "keep his nose clean". Angered by the attempt to bully him off the case, Malachius pursues Thongvar for some much desired answers.
After picking his way into Thongvar's room and demanding why a guard was sent after him, Malachius learns that Thongvar has the city gaurd in his pocket and he's very uncooperative with the investigation.
Suddenly, a fight starts in the lobby of Thongvar's treasury house during which his wife and two forsworn are killed, the former death Malachius only wishes he was responsible for, as the broad was quite the ♥♥♥♥♥. Thongvar approaches Malachius cursing Madanach the king of the forsworn. It seems Thongvar spared Madanach's life to gain control of the forsworn. But the king-in-rags has his own plans it seems.
Thongvar blames Malachius for what has happened and swears to have him put away for the rest of his life.
Malachius makes his way back to Eltrys to report what he's discovered. Inside the shrine, he finds three Markarth gaurds standing in front of a recently deceased Eltrys. The three stooges are in it for the money, not at all concerned about the people of Markarth; they complain about the trouble Malachius has stirred up. He finds them so disgusting that once given the option to lay down his sword and rot in prison or kill them, it's hardly a choice at all. Three corpses fall to the ground, three corpses grasp the coins that bought the deaths of innocents. Malachius leaves the shrine and is hunted by every gaurd in Markarth. They all fall upon their greed. And thus our hero discoveres the first thing in Markarth that can only be described as ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
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Anethual Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:02am 
If you don't want to read my essay, i don't blame you. And here is the summary. The quest "The Forsworn Conspiracy" and the follow-up quest "No One Escapes Cidhna Mine" got my blood boiling a couple times. They aren't difficult to complete but are aggravating for the following reasons:
1. I hate the Markarth city gaurds because they sold out the citizens of Markarth, I want to kill them. However, the quest appears to REQUIRE me to turn myself in to them. I am really bothered by the fact that there is no alternative that avoids prison.
2. Once in prison, I am FORCED to cooperate with Madanach in order to escape, there is no other way out. Yet i despise him and the forsworn just as much as the city gaurds. Sure I can pick dialogue options that give me the illusion of hating him, but i have to just continue on and do as he says anyway.
3. Once out of prison the forsworn kill a lot of people that I kind of liked and had a desire to talk to in the future. Sure you can say this adds a sense of consquence but to that i say WTF?!? There were no choices for me to make. This was an entirely linear quest that had only one outcome which involved consequences.
Why is this quest in an open world RPG if it is linear and (in my opinion) punishes the player for completing it?
Okay. Rant over, I'm interested in what you all think. If you disagree, please give reasons explaining why you disagree.
Pieni Mursu Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:10am 
Originally posted by djrachocki:
2. Once in prison, I am FORCED to cooperate with Madanach in order to escape, there is no other way out.
What? I just stabbed him with the shiv and escaped on my own. Once outside Thonar gave me my stuff back and rewarded me with a ring.
Anethual Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:14am 
Originally posted by Kishin:
Originally posted by djrachocki:
2. Once in prison, I am FORCED to cooperate with Madanach in order to escape, there is no other way out.
What? I just stabbed him with the shiv and escaped on my own. Once outside Thonar gave me my stuff back and rewarded me with a ring.
This completely blows up my comment about the quest being linear (In parts). But still...I hate Thonar because he's bribing gaurds and manipulating the forsworn to kill innocent people. I don't want him to get off clean for this.
I guess this is just a no win situation. I hate the forsworn and i hate the silver-bloods but i have to side with one of them in order to complete the quest.
Darkfiro Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:18am 
Originally posted by djrachocki:
Originally posted by Kishin:
What? I just stabbed him with the shiv and escaped on my own. Once outside Thonar gave me my stuff back and rewarded me with a ring.
This completely blows up my comment about the quest being linear (In parts). But still...I hate Thonar because he's bribing gaurds and manipulating the forsworn to kill innocent people. I don't want him to get off clean for this.
I guess this is just a no win situation. I hate the forsworn and i hate the silver-bloods but i have to side with one of them in order to complete the quest.
And he learned from his mistake if you kill the king-in-rag
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Anethual Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:25am 
Originally posted by Darkfiro:
Originally posted by djrachocki:
This completely blows up my comment about the quest being linear (In parts). But still...I hate Thonar because he's bribing gaurds and manipulating the forsworn to kill innocent people. I don't want him to get off clean for this.
I guess this is just a no win situation. I hate the forsworn and i hate the silver-bloods but i have to side with one of them in order to complete the quest.
And he learned from his mistake if you kill the king-in-rag
He learned from his mistake? Obviously I haven't gone down this route in the quest, but does learning from a mistake obsolve him of the murders he had committed?
Darkmuramasa Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:42am 
Not really but if you really hate Thonar that much you could just kill him anyway. So long as you don't get caught...or do and kill all the guards as well...Always a choice.
Anethual Mar 5, 2013 @ 5:59am 
Originally posted by Darkmuramasa:
Not really but if you really hate Thonar that much you could just kill him anyway. So long as you don't get caught...or do and kill all the guards as well...Always a choice.
One of my personal quirks when playing an elder scroll game is to not have a crime record on my playthroughs. Every once in a while I'll save my game and go on a massacre but usually only when i'm bored of questing and leveling.
Killing Thonar doesn't really have an impact on the world. I want the world I'm playing in to react to what I'm doing if it's truly something noticeable.
CAP Mar 5, 2013 @ 7:15am 
Cap (the name of my character too) feels Malachius' pain. I also hate having to turn my self in etc. However, I later found Madanach and his thugs at a Forsworn Redoubt (I don't remember which one) and slaughtered them all. I felt a little better. I don't understand how later in the game people ask me if I was with the Foresworn as I had no armor when we broke out of the mine and now I'm completly covered in Ebony.
Anethual Mar 5, 2013 @ 7:26am 
Originally posted by CAP:
Cap (the name of my character too) feels Malachius' pain. I also hate having to turn my self in etc. However, I later found Madanach and his thugs at a Forsworn Redoubt (I don't remember which one) and slaughtered them all. I felt a little better. I don't understand how later in the game people ask me if I was with the Foresworn as I had no armor when we broke out of the mine and now I'm completly covered in Ebony.
I'm relieved to see that someone else feels the same way and I will be sure to hunt down Madanach and put an end to him and the Forsworn.
Sometimes the citizens of Skyrim say things that just don't seem right (understandably so given the scope and freedom of things to do in Skyrim). People remember what you do even if you don't think they should have the knowledge of what you did.
Navarre Mar 5, 2013 @ 10:48am 
I killed Madanach, then killed Silver-Blood once outside. Problem solved.
almogj Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:01am 
i hate this quest to. i hate having to go with the guards to prison..... this quest is something bethesda should be shamed of.
CAP Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:05am 
Originally posted by djrachocki:
Originally posted by CAP:
Cap (the name of my character too) feels Malachius' pain. I also hate having to turn my self in etc. However, I later found Madanach and his thugs at a Forsworn Redoubt (I don't remember which one) and slaughtered them all. I felt a little better. I don't understand how later in the game people ask me if I was with the Foresworn as I had no armor when we broke out of the mine and now I'm completly covered in Ebony.
I'm relieved to see that someone else feels the same way and I will be sure to hunt down Madanach and put an end to him and the Forsworn.
Sometimes the citizens of Skyrim say things that just don't seem right (understandably so given the scope and freedom of things to do in Skyrim). People remember what you do even if you don't think they should have the knowledge of what you did.

I fear we shall never be rid of the Foresworn, brother. This will be a long war. Have yo ufound the body of the girl who was out swimming and the Foresworn cassually came along and killed her? I slaughter them for her sake.
Fire Walk With Me Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:32am 
I just went through many of the Markarth myself (also a beautiful female Redguard) and killed every citizen of that city at very opportunity I got my hands on. Hated the city and its people generally speaking. The Forsworn weren't any better.
Lars Mar 5, 2013 @ 2:21pm 
Well if you have the werewolf perk. from doing the companions quests. before you go towards the guards, use the werewolf ability. and kill then. that will end the quest and dont have to go to jail. As For Thonar, go after him if you wish as a werewolf. anyways. hope that helps.
bra1n1ac Mar 5, 2013 @ 2:27pm 
Originally posted by djrachocki:
Originally posted by Kishin:
What? I just stabbed him with the shiv and escaped on my own. Once outside Thonar gave me my stuff back and rewarded me with a ring.
This completely blows up my comment about the quest being linear (In parts). But still...I hate Thonar because he's bribing gaurds and manipulating the forsworn to kill innocent people. I don't want him to get off clean for this.
I guess this is just a no win situation. I hate the forsworn and i hate the silver-bloods but i have to side with one of them in order to complete the quest.

Well, -this- quest may not have been an entirely-linear plot railroad, but a great many are. One word. Paarthurnax.
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