Old & Decrepit Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:29am
Smithing: Heavy, or light?
Here's the thing. I'm playing a stealthy archer in light armor (will eventually use one-handed weapons after I get my archery to a decent level, like 70 . . .). But, I've thought about it. I could go the heavy route in smithing and still get dragon bone light armor, plus the stronger weapons, and be able to equip all my companions who travel with me, no matter what they wear, with the best stuff. The only thing that concerns me is weight of the heavier weapons, and I think they affect being detected in stealth. I am not sure, though. Any thoughts? Glass is lighter than daedric, does it make much of a difference?
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DarkSeraphim85 Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:36am 
Factors influencing visibility:

Line of Sight: All seeing creatures and NPCs have a defined cone of vision; if you fall within it, you are more likely to be detected.

Light: you are more visible in brighter light; this modifier carries significant effects across the entire range of light levels. The glow of light over your hands when you have a spell equipped makes you easier to detect, but the aura given from enchantments does not.

Invisibility: being invisible is obviously a powerful aid to sneaking, but does not influence enemies' ability to hear you.

Noise Level. Factors influencing the amount of noise you make are:

Movement Speed: running is noisier than walking. Moving very slowly generally makes little noise. Extra noise from runnng is negated by the Silence Perk.

***Armor: moving in armor makes more noise, the combined weight of all equipped armor is correlated with its volume.***
(Keyword here is weight)

Muffle: A magical effect that reduces or eliminates noise.

Spells: casting a spell makes noise unless you have the Quiet Casting perk. Summon spells and dragon shouts are particularly loud.

Weapons: swinging a weapon larger than a dagger makes noise. The noise you hear when you unsheathe a weapon is not heard by enemies.

Previous detection: An enemy that previously alerted to your presence (even if your reticule indicated only a slightly open eye) will remember this, and is more likely to spot you again than would be an enemy who had not yet alerted to your presence.
Old & Decrepit Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:47pm 
I'm still going to be wearing light armor, that is until I get to 100 for the dragonscale armor, I will be using Arcane Blacksmith to improve my enchanted armor. This is mainly for better weapons.
Lord Pantaloons the 3rd Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:53pm 
daggers bro, just make iron daggers and unlock the whole smithing tree.
radbass2 Mar 3, 2013 @ 1:56pm 
Originally posted by Mr.Pants:
daggers bro, just make iron daggers and unlock the whole smithing tree.
that doesnt work very well anymore. bethesda updated it and now it takes EXPONENTIALLY more daggers to hit level 100. it is not an efficient use of time or resources.
Digstar Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:04pm 
I went stealthy archer too. I only sank two points in smithing so I could improve enchanted gear due too the fact that your char ends up playing "god mode" anyway when maxing smithing (sorry a little off topic). I also put 5 points into conjuration to get to adept and upto bound weopons auto soul trap. Also dumped points into illusion for invisibility and silent casting perk. Also sank points into sneak for muffled movement and the x15 dagger attack perk. The only weapons I use are Astrids Blade of Woe (can kill her early in the game if you don't want to do the DB quests) and my bound bow.

Benefits being, free arrows with a very strong bow and the ability to vanish when/if overwhelmed. Armour helps but isn't necessary. Apart from vanish and silent casting, there are some fun crowd control spells with illusion too.

Originally posted by radbass2:
Originally posted by Mr.Pants:
daggers bro, just make iron daggers and unlock the whole smithing tree.
that doesnt work very well anymore. bethesda updated it and now it takes EXPONENTIALLY more daggers to hit level 100. it is not an efficient use of time or resources.

As above ^^^^ unless your into WoW grinding /yawn. Making jewellry is the way to go with lvling. Though I may sound like I'm contradicting myself. I usually make daggers too when gold/silver ore is low so I can use them to lvl enchanting which in turn can be sold to Eorland Grey-Mane the Companions smithy to pay for smithy training. The transmute iron ore to silver/gold spell works a treat too if you have a decent amt of magic (bandit camp NW of Whiterun).
Last edited by Digstar; Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:17pm
Lord Pantaloons the 3rd Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:07pm 
Originally posted by radbass2:
Originally posted by Mr.Pants:
daggers bro, just make iron daggers and unlock the whole smithing tree.
that doesnt work very well anymore. bethesda updated it and now it takes EXPONENTIALLY more daggers to hit level 100. it is not an efficient use of time or resources.

1. Go to forge
2. Open console
3. Type "player.additem 5ace4 1000" without quotes
4. Type "player.additem 800e4 1000" without quotes
5. Close Console
6. Make 1000 iron daggers
7. Level up and unlock Smithing perks
8. Repeat untill smithing tree is fully unlocked
9. Dump iron daggers in a lake


The trick to saving time is clicking really really fast.
radbass2 Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:09pm 
Originally posted by Mr.Pants:
Originally posted by radbass2:
that doesnt work very well anymore. bethesda updated it and now it takes EXPONENTIALLY more daggers to hit level 100. it is not an efficient use of time or resources.

1. Go to forge
2. Open console
3. Type "player.additem 5ace4 1000" without quotes
4. Type "player.additem 800e4 1000" without quotes
5. Close Console
6. Make 1000 iron daggers
7. Level up and unlock Smithing perks
8. Repeat untill smithing tree is fully unlocked
9. Dump iron daggers in a lake


The trick to saving time is clicking really really fast.
i prefer not to cheat lol. i find that it makes the game boring in the end
Spawn of Totoro Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:11pm 
Originally posted by radbass2:
that doesnt work very well anymore. bethesda updated it and now it takes EXPONENTIALLY more daggers to hit level 100. it is not an efficient use of time or resources.

Daggers will help you get up a fair ammount. Then move on to Dwarven Bows for the rest. They use one iron and two dwarven(?) ingots. If you want, you can use a smelting mod (unless they have added their own) to melt down the bow for your two dwarven ingots back, then just find more iron.

Dwarven ingots are easy to find in the Dremer(?) ruins.

(?) = Possiblely wrong name and/or spelling.
Last edited by Spawn of Totoro; Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:13pm
Spawn of Totoro Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:14pm 
Originally posted by Mr.Pants:
1. Go to forge
2. Open console
3. Type "player.additem 5ace4 1000" without quotes
4. Type "player.additem 800e4 1000" without quotes
5. Close Console
6. Make 1000 iron daggers
7. Level up and unlock Smithing perks
8. Repeat untill smithing tree is fully unlocked
9. Dump iron daggers in a lake

If you are going to go that far, may as well do: advskill blacksmithing 100000
Digstar Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:15pm 
Originally posted by Mr.Pants:
Originally posted by radbass2:
that doesnt work very well anymore. bethesda updated it and now it takes EXPONENTIALLY more daggers to hit level 100. it is not an efficient use of time or resources.

1. Go to forge
2. Open console
3. Type "player.additem 5ace4 1000" without quotes
4. Type "player.additem 800e4 1000" without quotes
5. Close Console
6. Make 1000 iron daggers
7. Level up and unlock Smithing perks
8. Repeat untill smithing tree is fully unlocked
9. Dump iron daggers in a lake


The trick to saving time is clicking really really fast.
If your using console commands as shown. What's the difference between doing the above or just using the command to lvl smithing? It's still cheating. Just my opinion, "horses for courses" :)
rafaelherschel Mar 3, 2013 @ 2:29pm 
A few remarks: smithing is always useful since it allows you to make more money by improving items and then selling them. The money can be used to buy soul gems to enchant weapons and apparel.

I would alternate wielding handed weapons and archery. It makes for a more diversified gameplay and you will level up faster because it gets progressively less easier to level a specific skill. This means you will get more perks and you can invest them in archery.
aturqoise Mar 3, 2013 @ 4:40pm 
Level the smithing tree on the light armor side then when you get to dragon smithing you can do both light and heavy armor. Jewelery and iron daggers are the best things to make to level or go to Eorlund Graymane to pay him for five skill points in smithing and Hamal (priestess of Dibella in Markarth) to pay for leveling in enchantment.
Old & Decrepit Mar 4, 2013 @ 2:39pm 
DarkSeraphim85 and aturqoise seem to be the only ones who actually read my original question.
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