YuritZen Jan 11, 2013 @ 8:30pm
Who would win: the Aldmeri Dominion or the Sovereignty of Skyrim?
The Civil War ends. The Stormcloaks drove out a weaken empire. Re-establishment of old Nordic ways and laws are placed. Titus Mede II dies at the hands of a Dark Brotherhood Assassin, causing political unrest in Cyrodiil weaking the Empire further.
Then the Dominion lauches a massive attack on Skyrim.
The Altmer-Nord War has begun.
Who is more willing to win this war?
Stubborn Nords who refuse to bow to Elven rule?
Or the Aldmeri who proclaim they are Mer and they are superior to Man?
You decide. State some valid reasons maybe some battle tactics and what not.
"This is what Tullius predicted before they slew him." --Norek Dragonslayer
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Devolth Jan 11, 2013 @ 8:38pm 
Aldmeri Dominion- known facts- Equal to or stronger than the entire empire's legions.

Skyrim- Struggles to fight against a poorly supplied legion. Also note needed alduin to survive an imperial trap.

I'll go with the elves simply cause its obvious.
Mikhail }>СМЕРШ<{ Jan 11, 2013 @ 9:19pm 
Aldmeri Dominion fought toe to toe with the Empire, If the nords had a problem forcing out the stretched thin empire, they'd have no chance against even a third of the dominions power.

Basically if you look deeply into the mythos, the dominion offered a peace deal to the empire, the banning of talos which seemed trivial to the empire because they had no intention on enforcing the law and the civil war that followed because of the "shills" they installed is all apart of their plan, their intention isn't Skyrim, It's the Empire, after they are dealt with, there would be nothing left stopping them from taking anything and everything they wanted.
bra1n1ac Jan 11, 2013 @ 9:45pm 
There is, in my mind, one thing that tips the scale towards the nords. In the game, the stormcloaks -will- lose the war unless the dragonborn is on their side. Therefore, if they fight the Altmer, they will be led into battle by the dragonborn.
Historically, dragonborn are empire-makers. They do -not- bow to someone else's flag, particularly when that someone has repeatedly distinguished themselves by being massive jerks to everyone they meet.
I'm not saying I'd -like- to see a stormcloak empire. I'm just telling it like it is. Ultimately, which side has the dragonborn carries -a lot- of weight, and there is -no chance- of the dragonborn siding with the altmer.
neilbert1 Jan 11, 2013 @ 10:12pm 
Skyrim would win

Firstly, while they did fight the Empire to a standstill, the Thalmor themselves must have been severely weakened themselves - after their defeat (and yes, they technically did lose that war) they were even driven out of Hammerfell, and never tried to re-invade. Basically, the only part of the Dominion that counts as far as supplying soldiers (since Valenwood is likely still restless after the Thalmor Pograms of Bosmer, and Khajiit, while excellent warriors, make poor soldiers) is the Summerset Isles, which is a fairly small landmass when compared to Cyrendiil or even Skyrim. Likely they never had that many soldiers to start with (which is why they only tried to invade Hammerfell and even then only after the Empire had had most of it's forces wiped out in a failed invasion of Akavir), and since Elves have a low fertility rate, combined with the fact that they booster their numbers of soldiers with a large number of female soldiers (potential mothers) means that when the Empire and Hammerfell both wiped out huge numbers of Dominion troops, that it will take perhaps two, three or even four generations to replace them. I seriously doubt the Dominion would be in the shape to invade anyone for many years, unless they have a Numidium Mark 2 hidden away and ready to go!

The Empire had an advantage fighting the Stormcloaks in Skyrim since they already had a presence there, plus at first the Stormcloaks didn't have large numbers of troops (in the beginning, rebellions always start out very small, and at a disadvantage - look at Syria, for instance). However, if you go to Solitude and evesdrop on the conversation between General Tullis and Legate Rikki, when she says Ulfric wants to invade Whiterun, he basically laughs at her, and she says he should take the threat more seriously since her intelligence indicates that Ulfric keeps gathering more troops daily. Basically, if the Dragonborn joins the Stormcloaks, although the Dragonborn does a lot of the work in defeating the Empire, the fact is that without the Stormcloak army increasing in size with every victory, the Dragonborn couldn't have done it alone, and even after the Stormcloaks won, I doubt Ulfric would stop recruiting, knowing what might happen next. The Thalmor would not have the advantage of having a foothold in Skyrim like the Empire (especially if the Dragonborn wipes out the garrison at the Northwatch Keep), and they would also be facing a much larger, more experienced, and better equipped united Nord army then the Empire would have faced even at the end of the war in the battle of Solitude.

Basically, if the Thalmor invaded Skyrim, they would be a weakened, smallish nation trying to establish a foothold over a long, sea-based supply line in a larger, united nation (of warriors, at that) - unless the Thalmor had a secret weapon to aid them, they would likely fail even without the Dragonborn aiding the Nords. Of course, if Skyrim tried to invade the Dominion, that would likely fail too because while they might not have the strength to invade, they certainly would have enough remaining troops, fortifications, traps and tricks to stop a Nord invasion over a long, sea-based supply line. So while the Thalmor would not be able to invade Skyrim and win, neither would the Nords be able to invade the Dominion and win, except:

Secondly, the Nords have the DRAGONBORN on their side - Thalmor, GAME OVER!
Nords WIN!!
oriphur Jan 11, 2013 @ 10:17pm 
i would say it would be close actuallly because the nords have a hometown advantage, also they dont need to sail a couple hundred miles to fight. This would reflect the fight between america and britian pretty closely if you think about it. Also it would pretty much just be summerset vs. skyrim since there doesn't seem to be very many bosmer or khajiit who like the dominion so the few khajiit and bosmer in the aldmeri military would probably have less moral since the war would help the altmer more than them. i think skyrim might have the slight edge. Although they would probably have worse armor than the thalmor, they would know their way around skyrim and are also adapted to the land. They mainly just need one heck of a general to win.
neilbert1 Jan 11, 2013 @ 10:26pm 
That general would be the Dragonborn!
Big Boom Boom Jan 11, 2013 @ 10:56pm 
Originally posted by Devolth:
Aldmeri Dominion- known facts- Equal to or stronger than the entire empire's legions.

Skyrim- Struggles to fight against a poorly supplied legion. Also note needed alduin to survive an imperial trap.

I'll go with the elves simply cause its obvious.

No. Aldmeri Dominion is stronger than the crippled Imperium Legion stationed in Cyrodiil. Skyrim Legion whooped their asses hard at the Imperial City and liberated Cyrodiil, Hammerfell also whooped their asses hard on their own thanks to coward Empire raising the white flag and achieved independence against both. This is one of the main reason why the Nords hate the White-Gold Concordant so much.

People think the Imperial Legion in Skyrim is weak, is totally wrong. They are the STRONGEST remaining Imperial Legion, because the Empire has lost all hold on other provinces and their main Legions in Cyrodiil are wimps. This, good sirs, is the Legion that won (or at least fought to a standtill) the war for the Empire.

The Aldmeri Dominion will have to go through Hammerfell or Daggerfall first before they can reach Skyrim. Or Cyrodiil. Hammerfell kicked their ♥♥♥. Daggerfall is relatively unconcerned with the current Empire or the Dominion, they are busy fighting among themselves at the moment (thanks to Dominion meddling) though I doubt the Dominion would dare to attack them as a whole.
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neilbert1 Jan 11, 2013 @ 11:46pm 
Indeed - the Legion in Skyrim is the Nord Legion that saved the Empire in the Battle of the Imperial City in 4E 175. If the Dragonborn joins the Stormcloaks to defeat this legion, the Empire is history - most likely High Rock would be stripped from the Empire through Thalmor political manuvering - something that the Dominion is good at (as opposed to fighting wars), and with only Cyrodiil under Cyrodiilian rule, the Empire would have ceased to exist (Cyrodiil, while remaining as a nation, would by definition no longer be an Empire). This would be just fine, because an alliance between four independent and strong human nation-states (and perhaps Morrowind as well) might actually pose more of a threat to the Dominion than a weak, ramshackle Empire, especially if the alliance's forces are led (or at least aided) by the Dragonborn.
neilbert1 Jan 11, 2013 @ 11:57pm 
Really, I disagree with the OP - it wouldn't be the Thalmor that launch the attack on Skyrim. I imagine it would be an alliance or new empire led or at least aided by the Dragonborn that would invade, and defeat, the Dominion instead. The Thalmor are all posture and bluster - like I mentioned above, unless they have some secret, superpowerful artifact or magic to back them up, there's no way the could invade Skyrim and win. If they had such an artifact or magic, they would have used it during the great war to defeat the Empire - since it wasn't used then, such a thing most likely does not exist (and if it did, it would be like the Nerevarine in Red Mountain all over again, with the Dragonborn playing the part of the Nerevarine).
YuritZen Jan 12, 2013 @ 5:52am 
What if, after the Civil War began and the Dragons arose, that the Aldmeri Dominion were in caves and ruined towers and forts, waiting until the order was given to march and gain a foothold in Skyrim?
When the Stomcloaks won, the attack would begin.
If the Empire won, they would leave, because of the White Gold Concordat.
neilbert1 Jan 12, 2013 @ 8:18am 
1) If they were hidden in caves, towers, and forts, the Dragonborn would have stumbled across them...multiple times! Hiding that many troops without discovery would be difficult, if not impossible.
2) Trying to coordinate an effective sneak attack with widely dispersed and isolated garrisons of troops would be difficult - failure to perfectly coordinate would result in multiple piecemeal attacks that could easily be neutralized one after another.
2) Sneaking enough troops into position to launch an effective attack undiscovered would be impossible - someone would be bound to notice that many Thalmor soldiers, even if they moved one squad at a time.
3) After the smackdown they got from the Empire and Hammerfell, I doubt they have the soldiers to be playing hide-and-seek with the Stormcloaks. (even if they managed to fool the Empire into thinking otherwise - to the point that the Empire effectively commited suicide by signing the White-Gold Concordate).
In conclusion, while I suppose such a tactic would be theoretically possible, trying to execute it successfully would be extremely problematic.
In any event, their arrogance and overconfidence would likely lead them to yet another defeat, just like it did both in Cyradiil and Hammerfell, especially since they'd be going up against the Dragonborn and the Nords, who are the certainly the fierciest and most determined warriors in all Tamriel,
YuritZen Jan 12, 2013 @ 3:28pm 
this is true, in reality, but this is a game. Consider it in the fictional term.
Big Boom Boom Jan 12, 2013 @ 3:35pm 
At least have a look at Tamriel map. There is no way to move a large army across Hammerfell, Highrock or Cyrodiil into Skyrim without being detected. Tiber Septim once used Water Breathing to move his army sneakily at the bottom of a Lake to whoop the Breton Warlords, but that's only one Lake and not an entire Province.

http://images.uesp.net/c/c3/TamrielMap.jpg

The most that the Nord would fight with any ties to the Dominion, would be the Black Marsh Argonian allies of the Dominion. They invaded Morrowind, and Morrowind is neighbour to Skyrim. The Dragonborn DLC takes place in Morrowind (although only in Solstheim? Didn't check), so probably if anything come close to a clash between the two that would take places in Morrowind with the Argonian.

Also the events in Morrowind did not take place in whole Morrowind, only in Vvardenfell, city of Mournhold and Solstheim.
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[ApH]Foxfire59 Jan 12, 2013 @ 3:39pm 
The Dominion would lose because you cannot fight an idea and win, it will survive.
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YuritZen Jan 12, 2013 @ 5:31pm 
The Black Marsh is actually a seceded nation and now is more of an independant kingdom and has no connection to the Dominion.
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