Anvos 29 May 2013 @ 10:53am
Banning of Talos Worship
So I was taking a brake from adventuring to read my book collection and in Flight from The Thalmor it say part of the reason the Thalmor banned worship of Talos was that they said a mortal couldn't become a god, but doesn't one of Arkay's orgin stories say he was originally a mortal?

Also the Tribunal seems to disprove that notion from the get go.

Plus the attempts to prove any of the Divines except Akatosh were one of the old gods seems lacking and isn't helped by the fact that they consistantly only apear as human, which seems to hint they might not have been old gods but rather various mortals Akatosh empowered to give will to the other aspects of his pantheon.
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Arc Trooper 29 May 2013 @ 11:27am 
It's the Thalmor's way of kicking the Empire while it's down since humans especially from Skyrim have consistantly kicked the elves back to Somerset. So in this regard to them the other divines don't matter as much.
[KL] Master Dan [StormCats] 29 May 2013 @ 11:33am 
Yeah, but I'd like to give a thalmor some 'special powers' I got from Talos' Shrine up his ♥♥♥....see if he disbelieves in it then :D
elbryncanticle 29 May 2013 @ 12:33pm 
I remembering wondering the same thing - but I chalked up the whole affair as being the result of the Elves taking advantage of their superior status to control the people of Skyrim. They invoke pseudo-religious justifications for their oppression, and since the bulk of the pre-Imperial Nords of Skyrim were Talos worshippers, the easiest way to strike a dagger into their culture was the banning of Talos worship.
Anvos 29 May 2013 @ 12:34pm 
Well one more book on the subject down (The Talos Mistake)

As far as I can tell this book is more an insult to Kynrath due to the needless death of animals and plants to publish it, when it says absolutly nothing.

Beging to wonder if there are even any books that attempt to explain away the blessings and divine aid that have been atributed to Talos.
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Dr. Bees 29 May 2013 @ 2:09pm 
They were upset about a human becoming a god, but have no qualms with the idea of an elf becoming one.
Sparkly Sparkly Pokon 29 May 2013 @ 2:25pm 
The Tribunal were not gods, but rather just Chimer who stole power from the Heart of Lorkhan. Without the heart, their powers began to wane, and eventually vanished. It was the power Vivec stole that kept the Ministry of Truth from slamming into Vvardenfell all those years. As for Arkay, if he was a mortal before, he was Mer; the whole point of Talos banning is that he was a Man before. The High Elves have always considered themselves to be closer to the divine than Man, something which has caused them to vilify Lorkhan for the creation of Mundus, because it sundered them from the spirit plane.

This is also one of the reasons why the Chimer broke away.
SlySynn 28 Haz 2013 @ 6:26am 
elbryncanticle tarafından gönderilen ileti:
I remembering wondering the same thing - but I chalked up the whole affair as being the result of the Elves taking advantage of their superior status to control the people of Skyrim. They invoke pseudo-religious justifications for their oppression, and since the bulk of the pre-Imperial Nords of Skyrim were Talos worshippers, the easiest way to strike a dagger into their culture was the banning of Talos worship.

Is it just me or does it seem like some religions are pulling this stunt IRL every day? It seems as though Bethesda attempted to tie in real life occurances to this game.
rbaker78 28 Haz 2013 @ 6:59am 
machi tarafından gönderilen ileti:
They were upset about a human becoming a god, but have no qualms with the idea of an elf becoming one.

Yep, this is it exactly. The elves (mer) believe they are descended from the Aedra. The humans (men) believe they were created by the Aedra. That's the source of most conflict between the two races.
Maloy20 28 Haz 2013 @ 8:04am 
They don't believe in the Tribunal and think they are just overpowered mortals. They also believe that the Divines always existed, basically they just have a different doctrine.

It's obvious that Talos is real and that the Thalmor have incorrect beliefs, but that is part of how they are based off of a famous evil country in WW2, as they had false doctrines and science to back up their beliefs. Everyone who saw them thought they were outrageous and completely stupid, but THEY thought it was completely true and enforced it on everyone.
Maniac 28 Haz 2013 @ 8:32am 
I would of liked to have done more damage to the Thalmor in Skyrim. The next game could be set in the Summerset Isles (Alinor) and bring the whole Empire vs Thalmor storyline to a close.
White Knight 28 Haz 2013 @ 5:33pm 
Anvos tarafından gönderilen ileti:
...but doesn't one of Arkay's orgin stories say he was originally a mortal?

HERETIC!

What's the going rate from the Thalmor for heretic bounties anyway?
Anvos 28 Haz 2013 @ 6:10pm 
tiredofpain tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Anvos tarafından gönderilen ileti:
...but doesn't one of Arkay's orgin stories say he was originally a mortal?

HERETIC!

What's the going rate from the Thalmor for heretic bounties anyway?

Sorry but I don't believe in your religion and haven't given up hope of finding a way to bring the Tribunal back.

I do accept Akatosh ties back to the old gods but not much more besides that.
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neilbert1 28 Haz 2013 @ 11:05pm 
The Thalmor are wrong - just go to any Talos shrine and activate it. Since Talos' shrines work like any other gods', he must be one too. However, the Thalmor don't want to believe Talos is a god, and more importantly, by forcing the ban of Talos worship in the Empire, they've caused the Imperials to alienate themselves from the Nords, thus causing the civil war in Skyrim (which if I had to bet the farm on it, they did because they knew that banning the worship would surely cause the civil war - it seems the Thalmor are more in touch with Nordic culture than the Cyrodiilians are).
Fudge of the Great Swamp 2 Kas 2013 @ 7:12am 
If I remember right, the reason for the anti-Talos agenda is, if actually thought about, incredibly confusing.

The Thalmor want to free the Great Dragon who is bound to Time from its linearity by collapsing Mundus so they can become one with the gods. Talos prevents this for reasons, so they seek to undo his existence by getting people to not believe in him. Because he's a fairy.
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