Margonian 27. okt 2013 kl. 3:34am
High King over Skyrim. Who?
So I have been thinking all allong, Why isnt the Dragonborn given the throne?
He/she got the jagged crown in a mission, and decided (or was forced to for the plot) to give it to either side of the civil war.

Lets look at the candidates shall we?

Jarl Elisif the fair
Skills?
supposedly a good speaker, and "fair" as her name suggests.

Influence?
officially the Jarl of Solitude, after her dead husband, the last High King of Skyrim, but some people dubt her power and sees her only as a galleon figure, while her steward hawe the real power.
A puppet to the Empire and its intrerests.

Noteworthy accomplishments?
...........

Support?
The Empires economical interests.
Some of the Jarls in Skyrim, about half before the war, all/none after.
The Imperial army.

Second candidate.
Ulfric Stormcloak.
Skills? Skilled swordsman and can to some extent control his thu'um, supposedly a former deciple of the Greybeards.
Allso a very skilled talker, manages to convinse allot of Nords for his cause to become King.

Influence?
Jarl of Windhelm. Allot of people the Nord population, especially by Talos worshiper.

Noteworthy accomplishments?
defeated the Forsworn and freed Morthal. allso slaughtered men. women and children of the opposing side.


Support?
Some of the Jarls in Skyrim, about half before the war, all/none after.
The Stormcloak army
(and not to forget the Thalmor likes him)

And so the last one.
The Dragonborn, alias Dovahkiin.
Skills? everything, the best smith, enchanter and alchemist in Skyrim.
Mastery over the thu'um, after some of training at high Hrothgar.

Influence?
business partner of most shopkeeper in all holds.
Bloodkin to the Orsimer strongholds.
Hero of legends.

Noteworthy accomplishments?
Saving the world, 3 times (with all dlc).
Slayer of dragons, giants and whatnot.
Eye of magus.

Support?
His own houscarls, about 5-6 of them.
The collage of winterhold, the dark brotherhood, Thieves guild.
the companions. Meaby the bards. (whatever they can do)
The deadric princes.
All Jarls in Skyrim give their recognition.
The dawnguards/Volkihar court
(some of them might or might not be on the list, based on your alignment, but I based it on the maximum alliances possible.)



So thats all of them, To who do you give your vote?


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Jo 27. okt 2013 kl. 3:56am 
I haven't played Skyrim that long but my impressions:
Not Elisif the Fair - she's sweet but a bit wet. lol
Not Ulric - too controversial a figure.
Dragonborn - most definitely, but when did anyone ever get to be King based on skills/talent alone?
Personally I quite like the new guy who has taken over as Jarl at Windhelm - Brunwulf Free-Winter. He just seems a cool, normal guy who wants peace. lol "There is no glory in war. It's just something they tell soldiers so they'll risk their lives".
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[KNoSC] DerAlleinTiger 27. okt 2013 kl. 3:57am 
Elisif. I can't stand Ulfric and I personally hate politics. I want my character to just retire, settle down, build a nice homestead, and have some Dovahkittens to continue his legacy.
Margonian 27. okt 2013 kl. 3:59am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Jojo:
I haven't played Skyrim that long but my impressions:
Not Elisif the Fair - she's sweet but a bit wet. lol
Not Ulric - too controversial a figure.
Dragonborn - most definitely, but when did anyone ever get to be King based on skills/talent alone?
Personally I quite like the new guy who has taken over as Jarl at Windhelm - Brunwulf Free-Winter. He just seems a cool, normal guy who wants piece. lol "There is no glory in war. It's just something they tell soldiers so they'll risk their lives".

The dragonborn is allso a helpful person, taking all kinds of odd quest to help the people of skyrim. Solving love mathers? Deliver items to the collag? Returning stolen items, the Dragonborn can be really helpfull, and he/she got excellent speech skill.
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Margonian 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:00am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Jojo:
Personally I quite like the new guy who has taken over as Jarl at Windhelm - Brunwulf Free-Winter. He just seems a cool, normal guy who wants peace. lol "There is no glory in war. It's just something they tell soldiers so they'll risk their lives".

When you say it, yes he seems like a cool guy, but I dont think he got what it takes to be king.
Jo 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:17am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Margonian:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Jojo:
Personally I quite like the new guy who has taken over as Jarl at Windhelm - Brunwulf Free-Winter. He just seems a cool, normal guy who wants peace. lol "There is no glory in war. It's just something they tell soldiers so they'll risk their lives".

When you say it, yes he seems like a cool guy, but I dont think he got what it takes to be king.

That's probably true actually - he doesn't even like being Jarl. lol

I suppose it would be nice if there was an opportunity for Dragonborn to be made king/queen ultimately though. But I'd find that tiresome too! My character is too much of a free spirit!
InsertNameHere 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:27am 
Elisif. Ulfric is dead in my game. Why not DB? Lots of reasons, to name a few:

There are several races in game and many of potential DB will be unable to hold the throne just because of who they are.

Some DB can be not qualified – we may not see it in game, but the lore do show that future kings and queens receive a lot of training in many fields that the DB unable to put perks into ;) Being able to create swords that can kill a dragon in one hit do not translate into the ability to rule a country.

Do you think that the Ulfric/Elisif will step away? Do you want another civil war?

And would you really like to be a puppet king or queen? I am afraid that this can be the logical conclusion if DB will go for the crown.

Some Guilds will be against it, I think.

Some DB will be against it. Politics? Nooooo, thanks.

And besides, Margonian, if the Dragonborn wish to play the game of politics, look at Sybille Stentor ;) May be not as flashy, but she helped to raise the kings of Skyrim and certainly was able to... influence them. And can enjoy her long life without drawing to much attention.

Always was under impression, that DB like all of the TES Hero's, have a destiny (stop Alduin), stray too much from that path and you may end up meeting some unpleasant surprises (like Alduin).
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[KNoSC] DerAlleinTiger 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:33am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af InsertNameHere:
Elisif. Ulfric is dead in my game. Why not DB? Lots of reasons, to name a few:

There are several races in game and many of potential DB will be unable to hold the throne just because of who they are.

Some DB can be not qualified – we may not see it in game, but the lore do show that future kings and queens receive a lot of training in many fields that the DB unable to put perks into ;) Being able to create swords that can kill a dragon in one hit do not translate into the ability to rule a country.

Do you think that the Ulfric/Elisif will step away? Do you want another civil war?

And would you really like to be a puppet king or queen? I am afraid that this will be the logical conclusion if DB will go for the crown.

Some Guilds will be against it, I think.

Some DB will be against it. Politics? Nooooo, thanks.

And besides, Margonian, if the Dragonborn wish to play the game of politics, look at Sybille Stentor ;) May be not as flashy, but she helped to raise the kings of Skyrim and certainly was able to... influence them. And can enjoy her long life without drawing to much attention.

Always was under impression, that DB like all of the TES Hero's, have a destiny (stop Alduin), stray too much from that path and you may end up meeting some unpleasant surprises (like Alduin).

One thing I wouldn't mind doing is marrying Elisif. That way I can have the perks of royalty without being the top decision-maker. Those Nords have a problem with me being a Khajiit? Tell it to my wife, the High Queen! And besides, Elisif is quite attractive.
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InsertNameHere 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:43am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af KL*KNoSC DerAlleinTiger:
One thing I wouldn't mind doing is marrying Elisif. That way I can have the perks of royalty without being the top decision-maker. Those Nords have a problem with me being a Khajiit? Tell it to my wife, the High Queen! And besides, Elisif is quite attractive.

No on topic, but did you read the uncensored Real Barensiah? Can't help but feel a little sorry for Elisif :p

As for marriage – yep, a Consort Dragonborn will be quite a catch. Someone is having a problem with Elisif? Tell it to her husband, the Dragonborn! Who needs army? Pffft, bring it on!
Margonian 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:44am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af InsertNameHere:
Some DB can be not qualified – we may not see it in game, but the lore do show that future kings and queens receive a lot of training in many fields that the DB unable to put perks into ;) Being able to create swords that can kill a dragon in one hit do not translate into the ability to rule a country.

Do you think that the Ulfric/Elisif will step away? Do you want another civil war?

Some Guilds will be against it, I think.

Some DB will be against it. Politics? Nooooo, thanks.

And besides, Margonian, if the Dragonborn wish to play the game of politics, look at Sybille Stentor ;) May be not as flashy, but she helped to raise the kings of Skyrim and certainly was able to... influence them. And can enjoy her long life without drawing to much attention.

Always was under impression, that DB like all of the TES Hero's, have a destiny (stop Alduin), stray too much from that path and you may end up meeting some unpleasant surprises (like Alduin).

If they will step away., another civil war? The DB ended the last civil war mostly by him/her-self.
And I am sure that at least Elisif might step away and give the throne to the one that killed Ulfric. Or share the kingship.
I am sure there is allot of people that would support the dragonborn to be king.
What guild would go agains it? The Bards meaby? I dont know really what the dark brotherhood might do. But being the leader of the guild might help convince them.

Your alternative seems tempting altrought,

Margonian 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:48am 
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Who needs army? Pffft, bring it on!

I fully agree with that :) ,
I am a bit disapointed that the battles isnt biger, My dragonborn sometimes take on 100 thalmor soldiers just for fun.
And DB got a smal personal army, his houskarls, and his stewards if they got anny skills, Not to mention two dragons at his commands.
InsertNameHere 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:52am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af KL*KNoSC DerAlleinTiger:
That way I can have the perks of royalty without being the top decision-maker.

I really like the way that cat is thinking ^^

Actually, what are the perks of being a royalty?
Margonian 27. okt 2013 kl. 4:53am 
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Oprindeligt skrevet af KL*KNoSC DerAlleinTiger:
That way I can have the perks of royalty without being the top decision-maker.

I really like the way that cat is thinking ^^

Actually, what are the perks of being a royalty?

Having a royal guard meaby? Lots of money, a castle.

Thinking of that, my DB allready have all those. :)
InsertNameHere 27. okt 2013 kl. 5:01am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Margonian:
Oprindeligt skrevet af InsertNameHere:

I really like the way that cat is thinking ^^

Actually, what are the perks of being a royalty?

Having a royal guard meaby? Lots of money, a castle.

Thinking of that, my DB allready have all those. :)

Exactly :))) Being a ruler is just another responsibility and let's face it - below your pay-grade. But you can help Elisif if that is you desire ;)
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Margonian 27. okt 2013 kl. 6:04am 
Oprindeligt skrevet af InsertNameHere:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Margonian:

Having a royal guard meaby? Lots of money, a castle.

Thinking of that, my DB allready have all those. :)

Exactly :))) Being a ruler is just another responsibility and let's face it - below your pay-grade. But you can help Elisif if that is you desire ;)

hmm, thats right, but it feels a bit ungreatefull when they dont give recognition to the dragonborn, just do that do that, heres a penny for your trubble.
任意のユーザー 27. okt 2013 kl. 8:32am 
If you really want to be High King a mod was created by aysigago on the Skyrim Nexus. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/41087//?
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