NOTE: FOR ALL THOSE OF YOU SAYING ITS GOOD BECAUSE OF MODS YOU WILL GET DELETED. I WILL COUNT IT AS SPAM BECAUSE I ALREADY LISTED BELOW HOW IT IS NOT A REASON BELOW ON HOW IT ISN'T PART OF THE VANILLA EXPERIENCE OF THE GAME. YET YOU KEEP TROLLING THIS THREAD. ALSO ANY RUDE COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE TAKING DOWN. THIS WILL ALL BE STARTING NOV. 26, 2013. SO IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO LOOK AND CHANGE YOUR ARGUMENTS YOU WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO CLEAN UP YOUR COMMENTS BY THAT TIME.
(AGAIN NO MODS AS AN EXCUSE! YOUR POST WILL BE TAKING DOWN! YOU HAVE TO GIVE ACTUAL REASONS OF WHY YOU LIKE THE GAME. MEANING YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND GIVE DETAILED RESPONSE.)
MODS DO NOT MAKE THE GAME GREAT. IT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL GAME, AND WAS MADE BY PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE GAME WHO DIDN'T MAKE IT. THEREFORE IT IS NOT A POINT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE INTERNET THEN YOU WOULD JUST HAVE THE VANILLA GAME EXPERIENCE. HENCE YOU ELIMINATE YOURSELF FROM THE DEBATE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GIVING A VALID REASON, AND PROVING THE GAME NEEDED OUTSIDE HELP TO BE GOOD HENCE MAKING IT NOT A GREAT GAME.
TO ALL THE HATERS WAY MORE IS COMING. JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY ITS GOOD DOESN'T MEAN IT IS EITHER. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GIVE LEGITIMATE REASONS, BUT FOR THE RUDE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T READ CORRECTLY YOU NEVER HAVE POINTS. ONLY INSULTS WHICH SHOWS MY POINT. ANYTIME WHERE YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN SOMETHING IS GREAT AND RESORT TO NAME CALLING IS BASICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS FUN TO YOU BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD YOU IT WAS. NOT ONE GOOD FACTUAL REASON HERE HAS BEEN GIVEN. BUT INSULT ON ME AND OTHERS HAVE WHO ARE NOT A NON LIVING PLASTIC THING. THEN YOU CLAIM ITS GOOD LOGICALLY. EPIC FAIL.
THIS FORUM IS TO DEBATE THE ACTUAL QUALITIES OF WHAT MAKES THE GAME GOOD AND BAD. BY YOU SHOWING IGNORANCE AND NAME CALLING YOU ARE JUST FURTHERING THE FACTS WHAT I AM SAYING IS RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE IS NOT A FACT, NEITHER IS I FEEL ITS GOOD, OR USING MODS THAT OTHER PEOPLE CREATED. THE GAME HAS TO BE GREAT AND STAND ALONE BY ITSELF. YOUR BASICALLY SAYING YEAH HE SUCKED AT PLAYING BUT MAN WHEN HE TOOK THOSE STERIODS HE WAS THE BEST PLAYER EVER. IF IT WAS REALLY GREAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO WITHOUT EXTENSIONS.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH NEW GEN GAMERS. BACK THEN A GAME HAD TO BE GOOD WITHOUT DLC, AND MODS, AND YOU HAD TO EARN YOUR COSTUMES, AND SO ON.
I'm not the only one.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-qyoJajnUEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweTAhyR4o0
I will be updating this periodically to put all the game faults.
Also idiot bandwagoner's/ hate mongerers do not read this if you do not have a brain for yourself or can't read it entirely to actually read the points. Obviously their are some people that lack logic, and good taste. And love easy uninspired games that also have no good story in it, or a good battle system, or challenging AI, and still say its a great game. And then use the excuse cause other people who make content such as mods. Gee if you didn't have internet or the other people to make it I guess the game would be ok, or suck now wouldn't it. Where is the logic. Your just mindless consumers petting the companies. They lose respect for you and give you a barely worked on project and they know you'll eat it up because it has the title they know you'll reach of it and not even think about how they ripped you off making what was supposed to be in game DLC, and lacking everything in quality. Quantity doesn't make a good game people. Its about quality! That's what this post is emphasizing.
Before you start hating this whole post read the whole thing before spreading hate and giving your opinion. Some time has past now where I think people have sobered up, and don't care for me to say what I feel. Skyrim is the most boring land visually ever. I think the snow was added just to make an excuse to not detail everything and color it all white. I couldn't differ one area from another. Their were less of everything races, classes and ability.
Everybody said how innovative it was, but it wasn't 1,2,3, slash. No combos, or special moves. All at the easy hit of rb rt, or lb or lt. By level 30 I was a power house and barely anything could do me slight damage or kill me.
I fell in love with the series when I first bought Morrowind. Man do you guys remember how big, how amazing the land looked. All the creatures. The rare stories and towns folk. At the time I had bought Fabled based on all the hype finished it in 10 days. It promised so much. A depth in creating your character, being able to get married, have kids, and live on continuously as them.
Supposed to have all types of gear. Long game play and freedom of choice. Anyways you get the deal, then I bought Morrowind and I was like this was the real Fable. Especially when you find out you can switch from 1st person to 3rd oh snap.
Really Bethesda was excited about giving us books? Theirs a lot of them they said. No Bethseda no. I know what they did add reading books to prolong the game. In the year we are in the game should have had a narration of your character reading the book in his head. When you press X, That way you can walk, and enjoy the history and so on of the game without being taken out of the immersion. Bioshock does this with tapes. This could have been done with your character reading in the voice you chose in his head, or use a generic narrator.
I have spent almost going to 300 hours plus, and I'll tell you why this game isn't great, but over hyped. Lets start off by saying its an okay game. If it were something else and if you played Divinity Ego Draconus (Again made way before Skyrim.) I believe this seems like what its trying to be. But Divinity is better graphically and over all story. Now why am I comparing the 2 because look how better Morrowind was.
The story and graphics for its time. And you felt free and able to be really what you wanted. But in Skyrim the plot is not even their. You never find out who is really good or evil. It wants to be realistic I guess (but I think its really laziness.) And that the game wasn't finished at all. Their are way lots of bugs and glitches to confirm this. Its just a cluster of everything not well done, or properly thought of, or executed properly. It actually seems more like a part 3 to Divinity.
They try to say the battle system is innovative but you can't run and attack or run and jump.
The game has a too old hack and slash feel. Many other titles you learn new moves and skills and physically see them in combat the animation. Instead here u have 1 ,2,3 chop, block button, shout, or u just throw your spell.
Now this is to show you I played the game and have real info spoiler alerts.
Story: (The Child Lost Innoscence)
You go to Artino's residence you see him with a dead body, and heart I believe.
He tells you that you are going to do his plan thinking your from the thieves guild because he did the Black Sacrement.Their is no reaction from your character of the dead body he just saw. Hell he is completely unoblivious of it, and never says a thing.You can't say anything about it. What did you do or what happened here.
You can't even tell the guards about what u think he did or tell them to even investigate what he did. So he tells you to kill the old woman , but their is no incentive to kill her. You haven't seen her kill and even if she beat the children she can go to jail for it. Or just use your speechcraft, or brawling skills to intimidate or convince her to stop doing so. Letting player use their brains, other skills, and hey their is more to this game than just point me and kill things. Murdering her never solved anything. Then the black brotherhood gets u when you sleep, and u have to decide to kill the people which gets you in with them, or kill her which activates kill the dark brotherhood. Like where the hell did you get all this info of whom and where they were. SO many loop holes.
(Saadia and the Soldier)
A people you don't know go to Whiterun looking for her, the guards don't let them in for some reason. But when you go to talk to her she pulls out a knife and says she changed her name and that they are mercenaries. Later they claim that she is actually a villain who sold out her country and helped an invasion, and that they are Redguards of whatever. When you do hand her over and ask will she be safe he responds I don't know. Their is no assurance of who is good or bad. And if you kill the guard when you free her she attacks you. (At least thats what happened to me.)
(Marriage): When Fable 1 showed a way better marriage scene and it felt more loving even though their game sucked and they lied about gaming the game isn't good.
The game teaches you that obtaining a trinket will get girls to fall in love with you. You never knew her or her do anything for you to want to marry her. Just pick the most attractive I guess is the message.
Here are some vids showing you the coldness and dirty feeling it gives you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psfp2A3q36Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp685ZGHQjM
Not to mention
Aerin & Mjoll
When you marry her Aerin Follows her, you can't confront him as
he just goes in your house when you never gave him a key or told him he could come in. And when you tell Mjoll as your wife, & companion to leave your side he will come to walk her. If a man ever found her friend alone with his wife in his home he be like yo whats going on. I don't like you coming over Aerin. I know what your doing.
The dragon battle you couldn't figure out who was who. Constant glitches. Crysis was made before this game and it looks way better. Every character looks the same. They speak the same. They should have just concentrated on a few towns and giving them an actual background and personality. It feels like go here. DO this. Then when its over they don't recognize you. They still talk crap to you.
The DLC feels like it was supposed to be in the game in the first place just didn't have time to finish. It was also overcharged and we all know.When I was done with the game I felt unfulfilled, and very unhappy. I thought I get this epic ending. Instead the game just went on and no one Except the blades recognized that I killed Alduin.
They didn't even work a whole lot on the Blades background story and give you more quests and story for them. It all felt so dry.
Update 1) The other reason why Skyrim is terrible to me is the armor equip system. Remember the one from morrowind where you drag and drop, and can see how you character looks before going to main world that is taken out in Skyrim. Yet it claims to be a better game for it?http://lparchive.org/Elder-Scrolls-3-Morrowind/Update%2040/45-Morrowind_2012-01-07_00-15-34-78.jpg
Look at how beautiful that was. How you can tell what is in your inventory without reading. Or
The travel System and npc/ horses.
In this game their are 2 things that are a nuisance in having Horses and NPC'S or aka Helpers. They will get lost and you won't be able to find them again because the developers didn't think of marking them so when you need to look for them u look to your map and travel their and recuperate the idiots. I am aware if you fast travel they might be there, but thats not guaranteed. The horses never know when to fight or stay either.
The travel system is terrible as it doesn't allow immersions. Look at games like saints row 3
where you can see your allies as well as police, (guards, and enemies), but it allows you to travel like gps. Now if you are saying its a midevil game. Then I implore and ask you how do you explain your fast travel. In fact why couldn't they have made it a mage power to teleport with a cool effect and move your character do? The horse could have had a gps feature but explained differently. Like the horse has a nose where to travel. Its said its been taken everywhere by its trainer, or previous master. This would alow us to sight see and learn the areas of the game. Also what happened to riding and battling on horses. The feature was never really fixed or given a detailed battle system. I don't think your enemies even fight you on horse.
So alot of people think oh the makers designes it to be vague because thats realistic in real life. That is an obvious excuse to not actually give these characters depth, and make the gameplay better. Tell me who in Skyrim did you actually care about? I'll wait. Also after helping someone did they actually recognize you. They say oh thank you and then treat you as a common stranger and repeat their dialogue. If you were a villain did the family hate you or try looking for you? Did the towns state their was a murderer in it, or if people saw you hate you. No, what happened is if you excaped and waited some time they would completely forget as if it never happened at all. Yet you claim it to be vague as in real life. In real life you just don't kill people because someone said they were wronged, point and click. You actually ask questions. Tell me whats the point of these guards if they just stand. Shouldn't you be able to report someone, and them give you the ability to excute them. (Like a citizens arrest.) You know so your not a gullible dummy killing everyone who talks to you and claim their the victim.
Even in the middle ages they used common sense, and detective work. Just because their weren't finger prints didn't mean things like witnesses and clues were exempt. Asking questions to villagers and determining the person is lying so don''t kill them, all they wanted was revenge, or they're just crazy and invent things in their mind, or they just love to make up gossip and create division, and hate.
Jumping in skyrim is terrible u can't run and jump
U can't jump & attack
The werewolf storyline is nowhere vill it ends where it started. You never get to use those abilities for another story arc ever again. I was excited till I realized their was nothing else to do with it. It was just put in. See how excited I was.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSJBp5jD3RU
But then let down as I never would get to do anything story wise with it, or fight more dangerous foes. Not to mention I got the ring of Hircine.
Update 1.4 They wasted more time in the draon language that no one cared for or was necessary. They could have instead use this time to fix the game, and give it quality story and mpc.
Update 1.5 (Battle System)
Most of you keep defending this game and the lacking innovation of the fighting.
Lets see what games came out that had more dynamic playability shall we at the same release date.
Metal Gear Solid Rising, Uncharted 2, Zelda
Now lets go back
Bioshock 2 February 9, 2010 March 29, 2012
Crysis Warhead 16 September 2008 (Retail)
NA 17 September 2008 (Steam)
EU September 19, 2008
AU September 25, 2008
JP September 25, 2008
Prototype June 9, 2009
When your game fighting system is way worse and uninspiring than Zelda 64 you have made a game quality game because even its predeccesors beat it, and had way more inspiration and way more fun.