Fayde1 14 maj @ 12:58pm
LOOT vs BOSS - what's your preference, and why?
I keep seeing people recommending BOSS, yet others recommend LOOT. I believe LOOT is the new BOSS, yet BOSS still gets lots of clout in here - hence the curiosity :)
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[S.H.] Osiris Drago [S.H.] 14 maj @ 1:02pm 
still using BOSS, I am used of using it. I have LOOT aswell, but dunno exactly how to use it, so that's why I am still using BOSS
Ilja 14 maj @ 1:02pm 
BOSS is stepping down. They will cut the support for it and it's masterlist soon - if they haven't already done so. LOOT is successor. That is why we are curently promoting it.

Only problem with LOOT was is compatibility with existing mods, but they seem to work just fine with it. Even SkyProc patch accepted loot.exe as BOSS.
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Ilja 14 maj @ 1:06pm 
Ursprungligen skrivet av S.H. Osiris Dragonia:
still using BOSS, I am used of using it. I have LOOT aswell, but dunno exactly how to use it, so that's why I am still using BOSS

LOOT works almost exactly like BOSS. It just looks a bit weird at first.
- Click it
- Select "Sort Plugins"
- LOOT looks up the new masterlist and checks trough your mods
- LOOT displays the order it is setting your mods, in case you are aware that masterlist does not regonize something and you need to see that things are in order.
- Hit "Apply"
- LOOT displays report, with 2 pages: Summary and Details.
- Go trough report, if you need to and do what you have to do - like clean files with TES5Edit - as with BOSS.
- Close LOOT. Done.
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Fayde1 14 maj @ 1:18pm 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Ref:
BOSS is stepping down. They will cut the support for it and it's masterlist soon - if they haven't already done so. LOOT is successor.

Seems like reason to upgrade then (still have BOSS)
Adura 14 maj @ 1:19pm 
i took a leave from Skyrim when LOOT came around O_o so it's all new to me >.<
Varth Dader 14 maj @ 1:20pm 
I tried it out, it is... different. EDIT: Wth do all these colors mean? Some are in blue, others in grey...
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SpeedFreak 14 maj @ 1:21pm 
Boss ... Loot crashes a lot ... I mean every second time or or more I get loot stopped working ... never ever problems with boss. Sometimes I have to run loot 4 times before I manage to get 1 updated load list.
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Ilja 14 maj @ 1:26pm 
Ursprungligen skrivet av SpeedFreak:
Boss ... Loot crashes a lot ... I mean every second time or or more I get loot stopped working ... never ever problems with boss. Sometimes I have to run loot 4 times before I manage to get 1 updated load list.

This is new to me.
However, I uninstalled BOSS before moving to LOOT. Could this be your problem?
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GIANTDAD 14 maj @ 1:28pm 
I use neither, I don't see the appeal in them... Just follow the mod instructions and build your load order properly. Or am I missing something?
HappyerbS 14 maj @ 1:29pm 
Loot-just the same as boss but smarter with more features
Fayde1 14 maj @ 1:33pm 
Ursprungligen skrivet av GIANTDAD:
I use neither, I don't see the appeal in them... Just follow the mod instructions and build your load order properly. Or am I missing something?

Giantdad how do you work out how to build your load order properly? (ie your method)
gnewna 14 maj @ 1:34pm 
When I first installed LOOT it crashed quite a bit, but since I uninstalled and reinstalled it, it's been working great. Takes a few moments and doesn't like being interfered with after you've told it to sort your plugins, but otherwise fine. I like it, I like the fact that it's so far not come up with a single unrecognised plugin for me to puzzle over, and I like the fact that it has its own results window, rather than opening a browser tab (mainly an issue because if I've not got my browser open, because I have quite a lot of tabs, it can be a pain in the neck to run BOSS and then realise it's going to take ages to open the browser - though I have new PC now, which opens much more smoothly.)
SpeedFreak 14 maj @ 1:34pm 
About using neither ...

Yes you are missing something, because A LOT modauthors don't say what the load order should be and given the number of mods out there. Another thing is some mods need to be loaded before other mods and it is sometimes not clear what the load order should be to get a good result. Also it is maybe simple if you run 5 or 10 mod however if like me you run over 150 mods ... well you get the picture.

I'll retry to re-install loot I like the interface better.
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Ilja 14 maj @ 1:36pm 
Ursprungligen skrivet av GIANTDAD:
I use neither, I don't see the appeal in them... Just follow the mod instructions and build your load order properly. Or am I missing something?

Well, my load order is currently 126 mods deep. Keeping up with changes between their relations manully is usually more trouble than worth.

It is also obvious, that modders can't be aware of each and every effect their mods might have with other mods. Users can send reports as well.

This became clear to me today. LOOT was already aware of mod's relation to other mod I installed, I had not ran it before launching the game, because I was only testing and mod's download page did not inform me about a conflict with these mods. They didn't knew about it.

Seeing how many mods there are, it would really be impossible that modders even could know all about it. This is why LOOT is important tool for most of us.
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GIANTDAD 14 maj @ 1:37pm 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Fayde1:
Ursprungligen skrivet av GIANTDAD:
I use neither, I don't see the appeal in them... Just follow the mod instructions and build your load order properly. Or am I missing something?

Giantdad how do you work out how to build your load order properly? (ie your method)

Basically, if a mod strictly says to be loaded after other mods, or simply by logic it's obvious that you want one mod to overwrite another, then you place them accordingly. If a mod says that it NEEDS to be loaded first or last or in a specific way, I place them as told. Otherwise, I load the largest/most important mods first, and the smaller ones afterwards. I've never had an issue that wasn't my fault.

EDIT : Yeah I guess it makes sense. For me it takes just a few seconds to set up by myself, but I only use ~30 mods in my game, although they are mostly mods that affect the game in big ways. I prefer using fewer, bigger mods than a huge amount of tiny mods changing very small, specific things. If I had hundreds of mods I would look into using BOSS or LOOT.

Out of curiosity, how do you guys get around to installing mods while already on a save? Usually uninstalling a mod or adding new ones just forces me to start a new playthrough.
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