Eragon May 3 @ 10:30am
Who lies: Saadia (Iman) or the Alik'r?
Both say that the other one works for the Aldmeri-Dominion. With my previous characters i helped Saadia, because, you know, a helpless woman against seven warriors, but this time i helped them, but i never found out who is the lying one. I hate the Thalmor, so i want to help the one who does not work for them. Is there any way to find out the truth?
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Ilja May 3 @ 10:49am 
Nope. Either one of them can be telling the truth.

I reasoned it like this. Saadia is a citizen of Skyrim and Whiterun, so as a thane of Whiterun hold, Saadia is under my protection. If Alik'r can't present any official request to extradite her, or any other proof that they working under any legitimate reason, then they have absolutely no business with ther.

She may be a traitor, or she might be a victim. We newer know. Who or what ever she really is, she are those things in Hammerfell. This is Skyrim. Come and claim her with official request, or rest in the ground frost.
SkinnyDipper May 3 @ 11:31am 
I sided with Saadia, It didn't matter if she was not truthful, I just didn't like the attitude of the Alik'r, plus why hide out in a cave
SpeedFreak May 3 @ 12:08pm 
Tricky one ... however gameplay wise I reside with the alikr why? because after they taken saadia back they vanish if you reside with saadia you stumble across them often. However I also ignored the quest several times .... can't be bothered not my problem really.
Two Bears May 3 @ 12:38pm 
It is left up to player interpretation. Evidence supports neither story.
TheNovemberMan May 3 @ 12:40pm 
saadia = 500, alik'r 250gold, if i remember correctly, IT'S ABOUT MONEY, PEOPLE
Incunabulum May 3 @ 12:53pm 
Originally posted by Trigger:
saadia = 500, alik'r 250gold, if i remember correctly, IT'S ABOUT MONEY, PEOPLE

And you know, the thing is - when I get paid I always see the job through.
Jeffy May 3 @ 1:18pm 
i just killed both of them and took all thier loot problem sovled

dont have to worry about moral standing
The Rock God May 3 @ 1:31pm 
When they try to talk to me I just exit the conversation. Now if there happen to be any vampires as I come into Whiterun I can let them do the fighting. If they die? Free swords. CURVED swords.
gnewna May 3 @ 3:45pm 
I think they're both being less than honest with me, but I'm uncomfortable delivering a relatively defenceless woman into the hands of a bunch of what appear to be fairly shady mercenaries who hang out with bandits and go around harassing any brown-skinned woman they come across in case she's the right one. Some of my characters do it, though, but most either side with her or decide it's best not to speak to her about it in the first place.
SpeedFreak May 3 @ 3:49pm 
My point is if you help saadia they'll keep harassing redguard women.
gnewna May 3 @ 4:04pm 
Not really my problem, so long as they don't actually abduct any. (I've also never seen that random encounter after helping Saadia, though I don't disbelieve it's possible - although the UESP wiki says that after IMTON is finished, the random encounters stop http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Redguard_Woman). Basically, Saadia may or may not have done something twenty-odd years ago when she was a slip of a girl, but she doesn't appear to be any kind of a threat *now* whereas Kematu and his men (assuming they even are Alik'r) are clearly pretty dodgy - there are plenty of hideouts they could, er, hide in rather than paying a bunch of bandits to share theirs (hell, they're pretty handy and there's a bunch of them, they could easily clear any fort in the province of bandit scum, given me and Uthgerd or Jenassa can manage a typical bandit fort even if I don't have any shouts yet).
Vahlok Ro Tiid May 3 @ 7:15pm 
Ironic as this sounds, Saadia's story doesn't make a lot of sense. It's even contradictory considering the state of affairs between her people and the dominion.
Fear2288 May 4 @ 12:18am 
Originally posted by Vahlok Ro Tiid:
Ironic as this sounds, Saadia's story doesn't make a lot of sense. It's even contradictory considering the state of affairs between her people and the dominion.
Exactly.

If you use some common sense and read up on some lore Saadia's story makes little to no sense...

I. Why would the Thalmor care what one person said about them? Much less care so much that they send hit squads after them? If this was standard procedure for them then they'd have mercs and assassins running wild throughout the continent murdering people left and right.

II. Why would they hire mercs from Hammerfell? The Thalmor have plenty of agents in Skyrim that have the power to lock up or kill anyone who's either a Talos worshipper or otherwise acting against the Thalmor. Additionally, why would the Thalmor hire Redguard mercs? Hammerfell is a hostile province who hates them, and while you could say "mercs are only loyal to money" why would the Thalmor take even the slightest chance that the Alikr might have a crisis of conscience born from racial/cultural pride?

III. Why would Saadia leave Hammerfell? Even if the Thalmor could get assassins into Hammerfell Saadia would have a lot more friends and allies there then a province descending into civil war and under the watchful eye of the Thalmor and Imperial Legion.

IV. Why does Kematu take Saadia alive? If his mission was to kill her why didn't he have you walk into the Bannered Mare and run her through? Or why didn't he just straight up murder her outside Whiterun? Why bother taking her alive? Do the Thalmor really desire to kill her themselves? Wouldn't a head or a dead body suffice as proof?
Alkpaz May 4 @ 12:54am 
Kill em both, let the gods sort it out.
la_nague May 4 @ 4:32am 
why would the alikr have hundred of agents running all over skyrim, risking death by the thalmor, looking for saadia if she wasnt one of their worst war ciminals?

Also, they dont even kill her, they just paralyze her for a trial.



So, they are probably telling the truth.
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