Eragon Apr 15 @ 5:32pm
Do you have tips for a thief/ assassin/ kajiit/ dagger-wielding shadow warrior?
It's my 3rd character, I am a Khajiit, and i want to skill light armor and onehanded and all the sneak and thief stuff and become a thief-guild and dark brotherhood member. Now i had to learn that as this kind of character, it seems to be IMPOSSIBLE to do normal fights, with my light armor and steel daggers i get EXTREMELY fast down and deal hardly any damage. I just began the game as this character, i duel-wield steel daggers and have a fur armor, and i just met Valdr and when i wanted to help him fight the stickmen or treemen (in German it's Zweiglinge), they nearly one-hit me and even if i have already skilled onehanded sneak attack so i should deal 6 times the damage when i sneak, i can't defeat them, and i am just trying to kill one Falkreath guard away from the city cuz i want the shield, and it's nearly impossible. What am i doing wrong? I know that it is somehow possible to be a good warrior with daggers and light armor, but how? And how am supposed to kill dragons and stuff?
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Dr.Herpatitis Z Apr 15 @ 5:48pm 
Always have a backup weapon (i.e sword) incase sneaking is unfeasable. On my sneak character I have a backup weapon and shield incase of a dragon attack.
Eragon Apr 15 @ 5:52pm 
Originally posted by Dr.Herpatitis Z:
Always have a backup weapon (i.e sword) incase sneaking is unfeasable. On my sneak character I have a backup weapon and shield incase of a dragon attack.
Ok thanks :) and yeah, I am just trying to get a Falkreath shield :D and it seems that i am not able to win the fight...
Dr.Herpatitis Z Apr 15 @ 5:55pm 
Originally posted by Eragon:
Originally posted by Dr.Herpatitis Z:
Always have a backup weapon (i.e sword) incase sneaking is unfeasable. On my sneak character I have a backup weapon and shield incase of a dragon attack.
Ok thanks :) and yeah, I am just trying to get a Falkreath shield :D and it seems that i am not able to win the fight...


Yeah,trial and error :P
WALKaBOUT Apr 15 @ 6:01pm 
the only that can thak out is eurel of Riftin I thing that you have see Blackbryert the ureil
WALKaBOUT Apr 15 @ 6:05pm 
even thure you are goodguy they are not so just keep kicking them down you will find a way
gnewna Apr 16 @ 3:12am 
Originally posted by WALKaBOUT:
even thure you are goodguy they are not so just keep kicking them down you will find a way

Someone who is trying to kill a city guard may not be a good guy...

Probably don't start off trying to kill humans or Spriggans (the creatures in the cave, they are strong and do a lot of damage), go out and find some wolves to kill, preferably try not to let more than one near you at a time. Neither thieves nor assassins are meant to be especially good fighters, though, they're meant to be excellent at sneaking to their target and stealing/killing it/them. It's worth having a bow, though, in case you do have to fight so you can take out some of the opponents by sniping.
istvan_v Apr 16 @ 4:01am 
Originally posted by Eragon:
It's my 3rd character, I am a Khajiit, and i want to skill light armor and onehanded and all the sneak and thief stuff and become a thief-guild and dark brotherhood member. Now i had to learn that as this kind of character, it seems to be IMPOSSIBLE to do normal fights, with my light armor and steel daggers i get EXTREMELY fast down and deal hardly any damage.

If it is acceptable for your character, improve your smithing skill, and the light armor and steel dagger can be upgraded significantly as you level up. Also, alchemy is a "thief" skill, so make good use of that as well. You can craft invisibility potions from some common and/or plentiful ingredients, and if you are underpowered in combat, strong poisons with an additional paralysis or slow effect can be useful. Other craftable potions temporarily boost skills like archery, one handed, or smithing. Enchanting is very useful, but maybe it does not suit a thief character.

You did not mention bows, but with perks, smithing improvements, poisons, and the 3x stealth damage perk, they can be made quite powerful. For a thief/assassin character, sneaking (a skill you obviously want to maximize) and shooting unsuspecting enemies is an effective style of playing.
alfaminer Apr 16 @ 4:51am 
I always play a kajit theif for my 1st toon. Tip be pacationt ( ugh spelling) and i higly reconment using a bow/crossbow. i tend to sneak arround hit them with bow run back arround corrner hide and than wate a sec for them to " loose " me and than as thay walk back to starting position i stab them with a charged melee attack. that just me tho but like everyone else said its trial and error.
Also try coating your blades/arrows with paralize / poisen ...alchemy helps alot to to remain unseen/hinderd
gnewna Apr 16 @ 6:01am 
It's also worth having iron arrows on hand even when you're high level and have better ones, as you can often send guards, enemies etc off in the wrong direction if you shoot an arrow past them before they've realised there's someone around.
Eragon Apr 16 @ 10:29am 
Ok i realise that with light armor (I am using the shrouded armor Astrid gave me) it is just impossible to live long during a fight. Am i SUPPOSED to use potions which increase my armor rating for every single dragon, tiger, frostbitspider, bandit group???
Mister E Apr 16 @ 12:24pm 
I have almost this exact build, and am over lvl 50, so it's definitely viable. You're right that regular melee battles will not be in your favor, so definitely invest in sneaking. In the early levels, I also kept a strong one-handed weapon as a backup, when sneaking failed, or for multiple enemies. I also did, and still do, go back to using a bow or crossbow to try to pick off or soften enemies before a melee fight. If you invest in the right side of the sneak tree, you'll get the damage multiplier bonuses, which are super handy.

Aside from that, you'll need to avoid running into fights. Try to plan your moves to separate enemies, and also try to take one down at a time with backstabs, if possible. Also, don't be afraid to strike, then run and hide (you may have to take advantage of the "special" AI where enemies will stop looking for you even though you just put an arrow in their head).

Personally, I haven't used alchemy at all, and barely use smithing (although I have been leveling it up slowly). I started to switch to magic use a bit, and the Illusion and Alteration trees can be helpful for some of the perks and skills. I've also invested in Conjuration, mainly for the bound weapons, which seem pretty effective. In general, detect life-type spells can be extremely helpful as you can plan out your attack. On the same note, conjuring an atronach or something can be helpful to give enemies another target (same for having a follower -- though than can mess up your well-laid stealth plans). In any case, I'll generally have a dagger or other one-hand weapon in my main hand, and some type of support spell in my off-hand.

I don't know if you even can sneak on dragons, so they may be tough for a while. I keep a special sword around for them, and often a healing spell or ward in my off-hand. Keeping your distance and hitting them with arrows can also be effective.

Maybe most of all, remember to keep moving if you have enemies close range. Odds are good that you may be quick enough to dodge attacks, and move in range only to land your strikes.
I will say, it can be frustrating, but also being able to clear out a room or even a dungeon using stealth kills can be super satisfying.
Mister E Apr 16 @ 12:28pm 
Originally posted by Eragon:
Ok i realise that with light armor (I am using the shrouded armor Astrid gave me) it is just impossible to live long during a fight. Am i SUPPOSED to use potions which increase my armor rating for every single dragon, tiger, frostbitspider, bandit group???
You probably won't last very long just standing and hitting, so if you're not already, try to remember to move around until you're ready to go in for a hit. Healing potions and spells can definitely be your friend. The main idea though is that you'll hopefully be able to avoid getting hit, or will only have one adversary on you at a time. I would say the early levels are probably the hardest until you get your sneak skills up, and also once your armor and health are high enough to absorb some blows. Early on, I would need to heal myself after every attack from a dragon, etc (again, keep a good healing spell).
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