The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

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Stormcloak or Imperial?
Which would you side with, i'd side with the Nords.
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Heart Miku Mar 22, 2014 @ 4:12pm 
please use the search function, this topic has been discussed a million times and tends to turn in a flamewar.
thank you
So true, lol
bobczes Mar 22, 2014 @ 7:00pm 
This is one of those subjects that will forever be discussed. There will always be new players and new points of view. No amount of backseat moderating from long time denizens of this forum will stop popular subjects from being discussed.

The best course of action is to ignore topics you have no interest in and let the folks who want a dialogue to engage in one.

I usually go Nords.
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neopolitan Mar 23, 2014 @ 12:17am 
Both. Start 2 playthroughs. Side 1 with the Empire, side the other with the Stormcloaks.
Fear2288 Mar 23, 2014 @ 1:33am 
@Nightcore

True that, I haven't stopped in here in something like 2 or 3 months and this was still a common topic then. However in all honesty I much rather have these kinds of threads popping up every now and then instead of the 50 "my game doesn't work someone help me" threads it seems this forum still gets every day.

Anyways...

I'm partial to the Stormcloaks. I don't buy into the whole idea that Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are a bunch of hate-mongering rascists who want to carry out some sort of nazi-esque agenda. I believe they're justifiably reacting to the Thalmor's attempt to impose religious and cultural sanctions on them by means of the Imperial Legion. Additionally they're seeking independence from the Empire and that means opposing everything the Empire stands for.

Ulfric understands that the Empire is on its last legs and it's only a matter of time until the Thalmor finish them off. Why should Skyrim go down with the ship when the Imperials have shown they're willing to throw anyone under the bus if it means keeping Cyrodiil (recall that they tried to hand over part of Hammerfell to the Thalmor, plus the whole Talos thing in Skyrim).

Skyrim has a much better chance as an independent nation than by staying attached to the Empire.

Plus I feel like a Stormcloak victory would make much better canon.
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Afire Mar 23, 2014 @ 6:37am 
I would go with Imperials.
gnewna Mar 23, 2014 @ 6:44am 
Nord and Stormcloak are not synonymous, any more than Altmer and Thalmor (although obviously pretty much all of the latter come from the former pool in both cases). There are plenty of Imperial-supporting Nords (such as Legate Rikke).

Anyway, I don't much like either, to be honest. I tend to side a bit more with the Imperials, but I don't really like imperialism. Then again, the Stormcloaks tend to slide into jingoistic racist type nationalism rather than just wanting sovereignty/independence (which I would totally support).

I've only taken sides in the civil war once (Imperial), although my current character is going to join the Stormcloaks, in spite of being a Dunmer. She doesn't like Ulfric and his followers all that much, but she despises the Empire and the Thalmor and she's growing quite fond of Skyrim, and is generally in favour of self-governance (thinks Morrowind should be Dunmer ruled, and can't see any reason why it shouldn't be the same for Skyrim, High Rock, wherever.) She also kind of hopes that if she can impress Ulfric then maybe he will begin to respect his Dunmer citizens and improve things in the Grey Quarter.
Bob🐱☕ Mar 23, 2014 @ 6:58am 
Originally posted by NightCore:
please use the search function, this topic has been discussed a million times and tends to turn in a flamewar.
thank you
Originally posted by Hamsterbytes , bits and nibbles:
So true, lol
Agreed. All one would have to do is type in 'Imperials or Stormcloaks' in the 'Search' panel, and join in any of the already existing discussions on the forum.
Ilja Mar 23, 2014 @ 7:01am 
Question is hardly relevant, when about 87 % of current forum regulars are Khajiits.
gnewna Mar 23, 2014 @ 7:22am 
Originally posted by Bob:
Originally posted by NightCore:
please use the search function, this topic has been discussed a million times and tends to turn in a flamewar.
thank you
Originally posted by Hamsterbytes , bits and nibbles:
So true, lol
Agreed. All one would have to do is type in 'Imperials or Stormcloaks' in the 'Search' panel, and join in any of the already existing discussions on the forum.

Also means there'll be a good two hundred posts to read before you even start, including most of the regulars' often fairly well-set-out views on the matter.
AsianGirlLover Mar 23, 2014 @ 7:49am 
Originally posted by Fear2288:
@Nightcore

Skyrim has a much better chance as an independent nation than by staying attached to the Empire.

You know who else supports the stormcloaks? The Thalmor.
If they "win" their civil war (I put win in quotations because wars have no winners) the thalmor will have a much easier time taking control of what's left of the empire. Once they took over cyrodiil, the thalmor would then proceed to invade skyrim, without having to worry about meeting any resistance from skyrim's allies... I don't see what advantage skyrim has once seperated from the empire, please explain.

(I always side with the empire, because I feel that the thalmor's threat to tamriel is more important than who gets to worship what god. Once the thalmor were taken care of, I'm sure talos worship would have been restored to being legal.)
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AsianGirlLover Mar 23, 2014 @ 7:57am 
A united empire has a better chance of defending itself from the thalmor. Once countries start seceding, they make themselves easier targets to pick at, and the thalmor are better able to take control of more and more land.
Abrakebabra Mar 23, 2014 @ 9:49am 
It usually depends what race I'm playing. If I'm a Nord, I'll go Stormcloaks. Whereas if I'm any other race, I'll go Imperials as no other race really fits into the Stormcloaks.
Fear2288 Mar 23, 2014 @ 11:59am 
Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:
Originally posted by Fear2288:
@Nightcore

Skyrim has a much better chance as an independent nation than by staying attached to the Empire.

You know who else supports the stormcloaks? The Thalmor.
If they "win" their civil war (I put win in quotations because wars have no winners) the thalmor will have a much easier time taking control of what's left of the empire. Once they took over cyrodiil, the thalmor would then proceed to invade skyrim, without having to worry about meeting any resistance from skyrim's allies... I don't see what advantage skyrim has once seperated from the empire, please explain.

(I always side with the empire, because I feel that the thalmor's threat to tamriel is more important than who gets to worship what god. Once the thalmor were taken care of, I'm sure talos worship would have been restored to being legal.)

I've heard that theory before, that somehow the Thalmor are secretly backing the Stormcloaks, they're in bed with Ulfric, and what-not and I think that's just the conspiracy theorists having a go at it. Don't get me wrong, you're right that the Thalmor would benefit from the Empire losing control of Skyrim but I severely doubt they're the grand achitects of the entire scheme.

Regardless I will explain why Skyrim benefits from succession.

First and foremost the Empire needs Skyrim ALOT more than Skyrim needs the Empire. Skyrim is virtually untouched by the Great War and presumably has retained a majority of its population, defenses, and resources. With Cyrodiil still suffering from the war and given Skyrim's predominantly rural, agriculture-based environment it's safe to say that Skyrim is currently the "bread basket" of the Empire. That being said, achieving independece means that those resources and that manpower would be entirely used by Skyrim rather then being siphoned off to support a Cyrodiil on its last legs.

Secondly if Skyrim breaks away and the Thalmor attempt to mop up the Empire that will give Skyrim enough time to prepare its defenses, raise its armies, and otherwise ready itself for war. It would also be given enough to time to join forces with Hammerfell - a province that soundly defeated the Thalmor by themselves and forced them out. A Hammerfell-Skyrim alliance is inevitable as both provinces share a disgust with the Empire's actions and a mutual hatred for the Thalmor. Plus if Cyrodiil goes under do you think High Rock will just give up too? No, they'll probably throw in with the Hammerfell-Skyrim alliance.

Thirdly, the Thalmor aren't as powerful as they make themselves out to be. It's kind of obvious that the Great War took a pretty big toll on them just as it did the Empire. They keep up appearances though lest their enemies see their weakness and topple them. Thus its not going to be easy for the Thalmor to launch an offensive war where the front is a huge distance away from their homeland. Plus they're going to be invading two provinces with environments that would present a overwhelming challenge to any foreign military force while granting the advantage to the defenders.

Finally Valenwood and Elsweyr aren't as "under control" as the Thalmor want you to believe. IIRC the game mentions here and there that the Thalmor are having issues with rebellious parts of Valenwood (and carrying out limited genocides) and Elsweyr seems to be dvided between those loyal to the Thalmor and a growing number of rebellion-minded natives. With the Thalmor trying to wage a war on the other side of the map it's entirely possible that major uprisings could come in both of those provinces and Cyrodiil might even attempt one as well seeing everything else occuring. Additionally the Thalmor could end up having some troubles at home too if the cards don't favor them. Recall that when the Thalmor siezed control of the Summerset Isles they went around exiling and murdering those that might oppose them. I'm sure there's at least a small population of Altmer playing along and just waiting for the right opportunity to oust the Thalmor.

All that being said why would it be better for Skyrim to just go down with the ship? All of Tamriel has a much better chance of overcoming the Thalmor threat if they don't.
SpeedFreak1972 Mar 23, 2014 @ 12:08pm 
Well my vision is still empire ... why? Ok I'm in favor of the independence of skyrim HOWEVER I don't think Ulfric is the one that brings that independence.
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