joo216 Jun 28 @ 5:10pm
Skyrim CTD help
(Just a warning this is my first time posting so I have no idea if I'm following the correct formatting or if I'm even asking my question in the right place so please forgive me for my ignorance).

I'll begin with a little background:
I just transitioned to playing skyrim on steam but I have been playing on the pc for a while now and I have been using mods since I started. I use NMM for mod management, I use boss for load order, I use TESV edit for cleaning mods, I use Wyre Bash to create Bashed patches. I use SKSE 1.7 and I use Skyrim performance manager to check my computer's performance. I DO NOT use enboost (mostly because I couldn't deal with the overly complicated installation).

My computer is a Lenovo Y580. It has more than enough memory, 8g, i7 processor, Nividia Geforce GTX 660M graphics card, 2g Vram. I hardly stratch 1g on Vram, my max I've reached is 1.4g. My max CPU use is about 2g.

This is my load order:
00 Skyrim.esm
01 Update.esm
02 Dawnguard.esm
03 HearthFires.esm
04 Dragonborn.esm
05 ApachiiHair.esm
06 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
07 SPIKE.esm
08 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.4a]
09 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.4]
0A Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.4]
0B Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.4a]
0C HighResTexturePack01.esp
0D HighResTexturePack02.esp
0E HighResTexturePack03.esp
0F Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.1.7]
10 Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
11 Cat_mount.esp
12 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp [Version v6.5.2]
13 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp [Version v6.5.2]
14 SkyUI.esp
15 iHUD.esp
16 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
17 BosmerArmorMATY743.esp
18 Cloaks.esp
19 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
1A Differently Ebony.esp
1B DragonbornArmorFix.esp
1C hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
1D Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
1E Immersive Weapons.esp
1F SkyRe_Main.esp
20 SkyRe_Main_Fix.esp
21 SkyRe_Combat.esp
22 SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp
23 SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
24 SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
25 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
26 SkyRe_EnemyScaling_Fix.esp
27 SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
28 SkyRe_StandingStones_Fix.esp
29 BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
2A CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
2B CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp
2C Inconsequential NPCs.esp
2D Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 2.0.1]
2E Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
2F NonEssentialChilds.esp
30 Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
31 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
32 WhiterunAlivePiano.esp
33 DawnofWindhelm.esp
34 RiftenThiefEdition.esp
35 SoS - The Dungeons.esp [Version 1.23]
36 SoS - The Wilds.esp [Version 1.13]
37 SoS - Civilization.esp [Version 1.02]
38 Better Vampires.esp
39 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
3A Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
3B Apocalypse - SkyRe Compatibility Patch.esp
3C BetterWhitePhialEffects.esp
3D The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
3E StavesofSkyrim.esp
3F 3DNPC.esp [Version 3.06]
40 UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
41 UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp
42 UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp
43 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.2]
44 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
45 SkyRe_Races.esp
46 SkyRe_Races_Fix.esp
47 Atlas Map Markers.esp
48 Atlas Dawnguard.esp
49 Atlas Hearthfire.esp
4A Atlas Dragonborn.esp
4B Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
4C Bashed Patch, 0.esp
4D ReProccer.esp
4E ReProccerNONPLAYERfix.esp
4F ReProccerDragonborn.esp
50 Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp
51 northern_encounters2.esp
52 I5K Treasure Hunt.esp
53 Extended Encounters.esp
54 SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp [Version v6.1.2]

My Problem:
I've started 3 different new games and each time I've gotten to level 6-9 with my character and then I start to get CTDs. Before the CTD I had no probelm with my game. The FPS was great and I rarely CTD'd if ever. Then I got to a certain and point and I CTD'd and then after that each time I loaded back up I kept CTDing even when I loaded to older saves. The first 2 games I had the mod Extended Towns and Cities. Each of those games the CTDs started when I went into merchants in towns affected by the mod (Dragons bridge and then Riverwood). I had a hunch that that was the culprit so for my 3rd game I uninstalled it (I created a new bash and reran the reproccer). On my third game I got to level 9 and then I went to Dragons reach in Whiterun and I had the issue again. Now I am stumped and I have no idea what the cause is. I'm sure it has to be a mod but I can't figure out which one. I beg of you please someone help me!!! I want my 4th new game to be my final one. If you have any questions, please ask, but don't tell me to make sure I'm using the utilities correctly, I know I am and I am fairly confident that it has nothing to do with performance. Thanks in advance for helping me out< I really appreciate it.

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Shelt Jun 28 @ 5:19pm 
I can already see your unofficial patches are in the wrong load order. BOSS is out of date and obsolete, use LOOT instead.

Correct load order for the expansions should be:

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Hearthfires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
[Your other ESM files]
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
[The rest of your mods]
MageThis Jun 28 @ 5:23pm 
Wow, BOSS did that to you? That is disappointing because the program has performed much better for most.
identity001 Jun 28 @ 5:37pm 
Originally posted by MageThis:
Wow, BOSS did that to you? That is disappointing because the program has performed much better for most.

I downloaded boss to check my mod order once. It did absolutely nothing. Either that or I somehow magically installed all of my mods in perfect order.
Kelvy Jun 28 @ 6:04pm 
How about what LOOT tells you list it then we will know
MageThis Jun 28 @ 6:08pm 
I second that, nothing like a Loot analysis. If you want to see a clean and shiny Loot analysis check out IIja (Ref).
GNxSI13NTKI113R Jun 28 @ 6:11pm 
be sure to read the descriptions on those mods! i run over 80 mods in my skyrim and i use a samsung ativ book 4 laptop, which has surprised me on how well it runs skyrim with only an intel hd 4000 graphics card. the only thing that ever crashes me is when my computer has the rare lag spike due to some of the programs it runs from samsung. if it werent for all those mod descriptions telling us all what not to load before that certain mod, alot of us would be screwed xD good luck with your modding on skyrim and follow the mod load that shelt posted, it is should resolve your problem.
Kelvy Jun 28 @ 6:19pm 
Mage I transfer my page from pinned topic to forum so newbie could read it and try to fix their own problems. But no they just want to spam the forum with useless jargon when asked for information they don't do give it. Merry go round in a circle do we go!!!.
joo216 Jun 28 @ 6:31pm 
Awesome! The load order that Loot gave me is totally different than what boss said to do. Hopefully this works. I'm adjusting everything now. I'll see how it goes and let everyone know. You guys are the best, thank you some much, I am so appreciative.
joo216 Jun 30 @ 5:23pm 
Well once again it did not work. I got to level 9 this time, I entered high Hrothgar for the first time and the same problem popped up again, and I was unable to load a previous save with out it crashing. I've noticed that it happens mainly when I try to fast travel after the initial ctd, but it is not limited to just that. I took your advice and switched to Loot instead of boss and now I am clueless. Could you guys please take one more look and give me your advice?

Here's my load order that Loot gave me, I added Etac back into the mix just so you are aware.
• Skyrim.esm
• Update.esm
• Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
• Dawnguard.esm
• Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
• HearthFires.esm
• Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
• Dragonborn.esm
• Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
• Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
• ApachiiHair.esm
• ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
• SPIKE.esm
• HighResTexturePack01.esp
• HighResTexturePack02.esp
• HighResTexturePack03.esp
• Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
• ETaC - Complete.esp
• SkyUI.esp
• BetterWhitePhialEffects.esp
• Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
• DragonbornArmorFix.esp
• The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
• Differently Ebony.esp
• Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
• iHUD.esp
• Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
• northern_encounters2.esp
• CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
• SkyRe_Main.esp
• ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
• 3DNPC.esp
• Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
• RiftenThiefEdition.esp
• Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
• SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp
• SoS - The Wilds.esp
• SoS - Civilization.esp
• SkyRe_Main_Fix.esp
• Better Vampires.esp
• Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
• Immersive Weapons.esp
• aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
• SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
• SkyRe_EnemyScaling_Fix.esp
• Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
• SoS - The Dungeons.esp
• BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
• SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
• DawnofWindhelm.esp
• I5K Treasure Hunt.esp
• Inconsequential NPCs.esp
• Cloaks.esp
• CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp
• WhiterunAlivePiano.esp
• SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp
• Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
• UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp
• UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
• StavesofSkyrim.esp
• BosmerArmorMATY743.esp
• hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
• AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
• Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp
• Atlas Map Markers.esp
• SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
• SkyRe_Races.esp
• SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
• Cat_mount.esp
• Extended Encounters.esp
• Atlas Dawnguard.esp
• Run For Your Lives.esp
• UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp
• UniqueBows.esp
• Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
• SkyRe_Races_Fix.esp
• Atlas Dragonborn.esp
• SkyRe_Combat.esp
• Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
• Atlas Hearthfire.esp
• Apocalypse - SkyRe Compatibility Patch.esp
• SkyRe_StandingStones_Fix.esp
• Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
• Bashed Patch, 0.esp
• ReProccer.esp
• ReProccerNONPLAYERfix.esp
• ReProccerDragonborn.esp

Please let me know your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks in advance.
GNxSI13NTKI113R Jun 30 @ 5:27pm 
run loot and read all the error and warning messages it gives you. it may not be your load order but mods that conflict with eachother, so run loot again and then get all the details and fix the problems it displays. i hope this fixes your problem. worst case scenario you could back up your save and disable a mod one at a time til you find out which one is causing the ctd (which in your case will take forever)
joo216 Jun 30 @ 5:36pm 
Thanks for the response, I already took care of the issues that loot brought up. There were two of them that I didn't address. The dark brotherhood one is missing two navmeshes but I have been using this one for a while on older saves and I never had an issue with it so I'm pretty sure that isn't a factor and then it also recommended that I get the etac and interesting npc patch but it is no longer needed for compatibility from what I can gather and even when I had etac uninstalled I still had the problem. I really don't want to have go through all my mods but I will if I really have to. Any other thoughts?
GNxSI13NTKI113R Jun 30 @ 5:48pm 
look at the descriptions of your mods, might save a bit of time and help you understand what may be the problem. ex: a mod may have in its description that it is currently getting a report of some ppl having bugs or ctd's. it can also be a way to see if anything may possibly conflict with another mod like ones that will edit a vanilla file that another mod already modifies. loot should pick up these errors already but its good to be sure. also try turning off mods that edit vanilla files. those will be most common to be the cause of your ctd. other than that, i couldnt think of any other way to find your problem.
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