Dawngaurd, best @ $5

[HeikoFennec]

Even though it almost, almost feels like it was content cut at the last moment. Not to diss Bethseda, but the additions are slim. I did enjoy the etherium run, but beyond that it does feel as complimenting to Skyrim as hearthfire. Still, can't complain too much for $5.

[Taiwan Number One]

I don't think Dawnguard was cut-content as it has nothing to do with the main plot and is too in-depth to have been a mere side-quest. What irks me is that the first DLC was about vampires(thanks Twlight fans) when the Dominion vs Empire was far more interesting.

[Blood of Kerensky]

OP is just a troll

[Oberon]

The additions are slim...except for a totally new questline, two new Shouts, a complete overhaul to Vampires and Werewolves, multiple new sets of armor, one of the best companions in the game, as well as an entire armory of new weapons, including Dragon Bone weapons.

[Taiwan Number One]

^ I'm not sure if the questline counts as it's pretty boring. It's nothing but one long pity party for Serena because her daddy never loved her and yelled at her mom.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

^ I'm not sure if the questline counts as it's pretty boring. It's nothing but one long pity party for Serena because her daddy never loved her and yelled at her mom.

And he handed them both over to the God of Rape so they could be forcibly turned into Vampires that he would use to fulfill an ancient prophecy to blot out the sun so his kind could take over the world. And then it turns out the prophecy was made up by the last of the real Snow Elves who is pissed about his own Vampirism as well as the subjugation and mutilation of his entire race by the Dwemer. And throughout this is the machinations of a cabal of Gods who rival the Daedric Princes in terms of power and malevolence.

But I guess if you didn't pay attention at all past like...the third quest, I could see how you wouldn't know about anything other than the "pity party" aspect.

[Taiwan Number One]

^ I did pay attention and, with all due modesty, more so then most people who play RPGs. The "story" just wasn't interesting and the villian was a complete idiot whose master plan would've undone itself. Most of the DLC was brushed over except for Serena who talked your ear off about her personal problems and loved to ask silly questions.

[HeikoFennec]

Having yet to play past the "meet the parent" bit, the etherium did make use of multiple existing locations. I'll pick up to get the full jist later, but for this dlc in particular to remain on steam at $20 regularly is a bit annoying. Would it be wrong to assume you could bundle HF and DG for $20 combined?
Well aware it's after the retirement of Bethseda's skyrim because of the timing, just voicing my thoughts since I didn't dive into dlc on day1.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

^ I did pay attention and, with all due modesty, more so then most people who play RPGs. The "story" just wasn't interesting and the villian was a complete idiot whose master plan would've undone itself. Most of the DLC was brushed over except for Serena who talked your ear off about her personal problems and loved to ask silly questions.

The more you talk about it, the more apparent it becomes that you weren't actually paying attention. Seriously, when talking with Gelebor about the ruination of the Snow Elves, were you really focused more on Serana than what was going on? Because I think you may have found it uninteresting because you weren't paying attention, or you weren't paying attention because you didn't think it was interesting. Either way, you're the one brushing over details, not the game.

[Taiwan Number One]

^ Yes, I was listening to the non-blue Snow Elf, but his story had little do with the "plot" of Dawnguard. If you go vampire hunters, Serena is the central character as she is given far more screen time then anyone else. Harkon, the villian, only shows up when you meet and when you kill him. I still wouldn't say I was "focused" on Serena, but I had good reason if I did.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

^ Yes, I was listening to the non-blue Snow Elf, but his story had little do with the "plot" of Dawnguard.

And confirmed, you were not paying attention. Vyrthur was the reason everything was happening. He made up the prophecy that Harkon was trying to fulfill, and he even had the weapons Harkon needed. Everything that happened was because of him. And you'd know that if you paid attention.

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

If you go vampire hunters, Serena is the central character as she is given far more screen time then anyone else. Harkon, the villian, only shows up when you meet and when you kill him.

This is a normal occurrence in storytelling.[tvtropes.org]

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

I still wouldn't say I was "focused" on Serena, but I had good reason if I did.

Yeah, but since you focused so much on her, you failed to notice so much else.

[Taiwan Number One]

^ Please stop telling me when I was or wasn't paying attention as you're not omniscience. Yes, I forgot that one detail in a DLC that I played several years ago. Let me amend my statement; most of the non-blue Snow Elf's stories aren't relevant to the plot. Also, please don't tell me who I was or wasn't focused on for the same reason you shouldn't tell people when they were or weren't paying attention.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

^ Please stop telling me when I was or wasn't paying attention as you're not omniscience. Yes, I forgot that one detail in a DLC that I played several years ago. Let me amend my statement; most of the non-blue Snow Elf's stories aren't relevant to the plot. Also, please don't tell me who I was or wasn't focused on for the same reason you shouldn't tell people when they were or weren't paying attention.

First off, why do you keep saying "non-Blue Snow Elves?" The Falmer are all a pale gray,[www.uesp.net] while Gelebor and Vyrthur are both pale white. The only time I've ever seen a Falmer appear blue was just because of the lighting.

Second, "most of the Snow Elves stories aren't relevant" is silly when the only story those two are involved in is central to the plot of Dawnguard. Which I just explained to you in my last post. Remember, Vyrthur is responsible for damn near everything that happened in Dawnguard.

And finally, I don't need to be omniscient to tell you weren't paying attention. You're doing a great job of showing that off for me. Stop saying things without making sure it's what actually happened first. Because saying Vyrthur wasn't central to the plot when the entire plot happened because of him is just silly. You didn't forget "one detail" you forgot the main detail and then based an argument around that.

Now if you really want me to stop, all you have to do is admit you were wrong. Because let me tell you, it's really not hard to keep proving that. I've been using off-hand knowledge this whole time, and I haven't played Dawnguard in years either. (And before you think you're clever looking at my Steam profile, I played Skyrim on PS3 for years before I bought it on Steam)

[Taiwan Number One]

I keep saying "non-blue Snow Elf" because prior to Dawnguard I read a book that suggested Snow Elves were blue according to eye witness reports. No, I don't remember the name of the book. The point was to show that I do indeed pay attention.

I'm not sure what you're quoting here. I said "Snow Elf's" referring to the one that isn't crazy not "Snow Elves".

My memory is a bit foggy, but it's not missing and do you seriously expect me have the wiki up 24/7 for a Skyrim debate?

Wrong about what? I never said Snow Elf 1&2 had no point in the story, but that most of what they said was largely irrelevant. To clarify, by "story" I'm referring to their dialogue, mostly Gelebor's.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

I keep saying "non-blue Snow Elf" because prior to Dawnguard I read a book that suggested Snow Elves were blue according to eye witness reports. No, I don't remember the name of the book. The point was to show that I do indeed pay attention.

So a book you don't remember the name of containing eye witness reports of a race that hasn't been seen since before the First Era, almost 5000 years by Kodlak's estimate. (The Dwemer were the last ones to see the Snow Elves as they originally were!) And you've been wrong about nearly everything you've said so far. So...yeah, let's just go ahead and skip this part.

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

I'm not sure what you're quoting here. I said "Snow Elf's" referring to the one that isn't crazy not "Snow Elves".

So what?

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

My memory is a bit foggy, but it's not missing and do you seriously expect me have the wiki up 24/7 for a Skyrim debate?

No. But keep in mind if you don't want people like me to show up, then think before you post. Otherwise you look like a fool who is arguing about his own incorrect recollection of events rather than what actually happened.

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

Wrong about what? I never said Snow Elf 1&2 had no point in the story, but that most of what they said was largely irrelevant. To clarify, by "story" I'm referring to their dialogue, mostly Gelebor's.

Now you're just arguing semantics, and you're still wrong. Are you being this dense on purpose?

[Taiwan Number One]

It was several years ago which I say is a fair amount to forget the name of a book I read in a video game. Eye witness reports can be false FYI.

So, I don't know what you're quoting here. Were you not quoting me?

What on Earth do you mean by this? People like me? Think before you post? It's a Steam forum! If anyone looks foolish it's the guy/gal whose declared themself the sheriff of a video game forum. Best you got on me is my memory isn't perfect. Granted, we're both being foolish for going on this long.

No, I'm not. Saying "he serves no point at all" and "most of what he says isn't that relevant" aren't the same thing.