Skyrimnut Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:12pm
1001 ways to die... Requiem, Frostfall, and iNeed! Oh my! [6th of Sun's Dawn]
A few people had been following my "I'm tired" thread and it was fun. But, unfortunately, despite gimping myself like crazy (no crafting, Necromancer's amulet, crappy armor), I was still a goddess by level 43. I had been interested in playing an overhaul mod for quite some time, but I was afraid. See, I'm a bonified wuss, I suck at games, I really do. I only play Skyrim well because I know the game, not because I'm actually any good at it. But, I decided to grow a pair and download some of the big overhaul "survival" mods. I took a lot of time and sorted my load order and for those who contributed to that thread, a hearty thanks. It was hard to decide between SkyRe and Requiem, but I finally opted for Requiem as it changes the game more. I don't really want to rely on my prior knowledge.

EDIT 10/25/2014: This thread is a work in progress. I will make some edits accordingly. I will probably strike references of Lilithia being dragonborn from this thread, as I don't feel that that's the direction her build is going in. While she's not evil, she is also not nearly as self-sacrificing as the Paladin Aelberon, who is a far more suitable candidate for Dragonborn status. Will their paths cross? Who knows? She can still more than likely do the Mage's guild and assume a position of power as archmage. That is better suited to her personality.

EDIT 7/20/2014: I have below my load current load order, if anyone is curious about downloading any of these mods. If memory serves, I installed them based on Mod recommendations from their respective Nexus pages and I was very careful to select mods designed to work together. Here is the step by step process and it worked for me. After every few mods, I'd run LOOT and test the game to make sure nothing exploded. All textures are full, but I have a decent rig, if you don't, please don't be stupid and use the full textures, go do light instead. Download all mods at your own risk.

1. I reinstalled the game and made sure there were no mods still left.
2. Installed the unofficial patches
3. Installed SKSE
4. Installed LOOT
5. Installed SkyUI & iHud
6. Installed basic textures

-HQ Snow
-Better dynamic snow (overide HQ)
-Enhanced distance terrain
-SMIM (there is one that you don't overide with BDS)
-Skyrim HD (overide SMIM)
-Skyrim flora overhaul (Overide SMIM & Skyrim HD)
-Crimson tide

7. Installed the ENB, weather, & lighting clusterfudge.

-Project Reality - default settings
-Supreme Storms - default settings
-Climates of Tamriel weater patch - default settings
-Enhanced Lighting and FX
-Realvision ENB

8. Installed WATER - let it overide SMIM
9. Installed Character enhancement mods (Xenius, face unlocker, hairstyles, elf skin)
10. Installed World enhancing mods (Expanded Cities and Towns, Wet and Cold, Winter is Coming, Cloaks of Skyrim)
11. Installed Frostfall & iNeed
12. Installed Requiem, Requiem Resorces, and Requiem patches
13. Ran LOOT one more time to check order and sorted
14. Played game
15. Installed two more mods, but they are very minor and have not affected the game.

Here is the actual load order as it appears in NMM. LOOT did everything up until Requiem, which I then did myself, as I just wanted it and its patches last.

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=1
HighResTexturePack02.esp=1
HighResTexturePack03.esp=1
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=1
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
WATER DG.esp=1
CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp=1
Better Dynamic Snow.esp=1
Convenient Horses.esp=1
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp=1
UNFU.esp=1
MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp=1
iHUD.esp=1
WATER.esp=1
LovelyHairstylesCE.esp=1
Pale Elves.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
ETaC - BDS Patch.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
ETaC - Complete.esp=1
ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1
ELFXEnhancer.esp=1
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
Crimson Tide - Blood.esp=1
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp=1
Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp=1
CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp=1
CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-10.esp=1
WetandCold.esp=1
WetandCold - Ashes.esp=1
WetandCold - Holidays.esp=1
WATER DB Waves.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
1nivWICCloaks.esp=1
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=1
SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1
SFO - Dragonborn.esp=1
WATER Plants.esp=1
Moonwatch Manor.esp=1
iNeed.esp=1
Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1
Requiem.esp=1
Requiem - Resources.esp=1
Requiem - Dragonborn.esp=1
Requiem - HearthFires.esp=1
Requiem - Frostfall.esp=1

FINISHED EDIT

HAHAHA, I made a booboo right at the start. First, I activated Frostfall and iNeed while I was on the wagon with Ulfric, Ralof, and Lokir. Whooopsies, that killed Lokir for some wierdo reason and made me naked in the middle of a wagon with a bunch of strange men, and we couldn't have that, so I had to reload.

OMG, then I take an hour to make my character. I wanted to roll as a high elf, so I downloaded the usual basics in character enhancement (Xenius, Ultimate NPC face unlocker, some hairstyles mods, and a mod that makes high elves a bit paler). Here's what I came up with.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=286439612

She doesn't look too bad. Especially for a High elf. Less "drag queenie" than the typical high elf does with long hair. Her name is Lilithia. Sorta Lore-friendly. I actually used a Vanilla preset. Bottom row, middle, believe it or not. That preset is pretty nasty.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111105174750/elderscrolls/images/c/ca/44156_Altmer_normal.jpg

So... Alduin decides to pay a visit and Lilithia jumps to the inn from the tower like she's supposed to. Wow, never lost THAT much health making that jump before. This is gonna be interesting...

Made it to the keep and I configured Requiem, iNeed, and Frostfall. Not gonna lie, I tweaked a lot of stuff. Solved heavy armor issues, raised my carry weight, increased my damage output, made gold weightless, decreased my damage intake, made npc arrows less accurate, nerfed frostfall a bit (I really don't want to make fires every 10min), and tweaked some other things. Remember, I'm a wuss, and I have a ton of new things to get used to (interface, new HUD, etc).

That may not have been the best idea as poor Lilithia was IMMEDIATELY hungry and thirsty. Geez, you'd think General Tullius would feed the prisoners some food and water during the trip. Lilithia and Ralof dispatched the first group of enemies, though it is WAY harder, lots of running and weapons hit HARD. Didn't die though! Yay! Ralof is useless by the way. She's sooooo hungry by the time she's finished with the first two enemies that her magicka and stamina stop regenerating. At least there is food in the next room. Mmmm... Food...

It's all raw. Damn it! Ralof is still useless. He must be hungry too. Lilithia plays "dodge the evil Imperials" for about 5 minutes and zaps them with whatever pitiful magicka she has left, until she manages to nab a piece of bread while they're all running around the table. Not hungry anymore, but still very thirsty. Once she killed the Imperials, the focus shifted to finding something to drink. She found an empty waterskin, but no water. Now she's REALLY thirsty (thank you iNeed notifications). That alto wine on the table is looking sooooo good now. Why not? Bottoms up!

She's not thirsty anymore, but she's now stone drunk. Haha, I get the "I'm feeling good and warm" notification and everything. So, Lilithia is stuck in a dungeon with a useless Nord and now she's drunk, which, I have since learned, kills the magicka regen. A drunk mage with no magicka. Well, I'll cut her some slack, the Empire tried to cut off her head and then a giant black dragon attacked. Under those circumstances, I'd drink too. Time to grab the sword and shield looted from the crazy Imperial in heavy armor, cause stamina is now up the wazoo. The benifit of booze. On to the next room! Mebbe Ralof should have a drink too!

She hasn't finished Helgen yet, she just has spiders and the bear left, but I'm having a great time. Not sure how she'll do those since she's drunk. It's hard, but fun. The needs sort of pop up at you. Hopefully once she gets to Riverwood, she can regulate the needs a bit better, so it is not creeping up at inopportune times. Her skills, ehem, once she sobers up ;) will be Destruction, Restoration, Alteration, Enchanting, and perhaps Block cause I always enjoy a good Bash 'n Fry. Thanks for looking.

Death tally - 0
Last edited by Skyrimnut; Oct 25, 2014 @ 6:37am
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Asteo600 #ModdingScirim Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:18pm 
Why don't you use Realistic Needs and Diseases?
I always thought iNeed exaggerates too much.
P.S. Just seen your profile. Your Skyrim statistics are AMAZING :O
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Skyrimnut Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:24pm 
Originally posted by Asteo600:
Why don't you use Realistic Needs and Diseases?
I always thought iNeed exaggerates too much.
P.S. Just seen your profile. Your Skyrim statistics are AMAZING :O

I read through both and decided a more streamlined mod was better for me. It is configurable in the MCM menu to be less crazy which is what I opted for. In fact, that's what surprised me about all three of them. They are all highly tweakable. You can make it as hardcore, or as wussy as you want. I am closer to the wussy side of the spectrum of pain. Observe.

Spectrum of pain...

Wussy______________+__________________________________________Hardcore

Skyrimnut's position
Last edited by Skyrimnut; Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:25pm
Asteo600 #ModdingScirim Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:28pm 
Ah, I think tomorrow I'll install RND as well as some body mods. But how I said, your 75 Skyrim achievements definitely show you're not a newbie at this game ;)
BelphegorATS Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:29pm 
That's why I stay away from mods like those because they can make the game a lot harder even on the easiest difficulty mode. Furthermore, they also make aspects not included in the vanilla game a daily chore since you'll constantly have to keep your character fed and whatnot (I'm looking at you, Better Vampires). This constant state of demanding makes Skyrim less of an Elder Scrolls game and more like The Sims in my opinion. At some point you'll fall into a routine that may be unwelcome because you'll be focusing more on that than having fun playing. Working for something in a game that's supposed to make earning it fun is one thing; turning it into a daily routine is a completely different story that can possibly kill immersion with chores.
gnewna Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:32pm 
YAY! I thought you'd like Requiem :D And, yeah, my Rozenn MAY POSSIBLY have made the same 'mm, booze! wait, why'sh my magicka not regene... regnera... coming back?' mistake, although I think she died before I had a chance to save so I can't remember if I repeated it (for teh roleplayzor) or not. I'm still over in Vvardenfell being super-hardcore leet gamer, but glad you've started your new thread :D
Skyrimnut Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:33pm 
Originally posted by BelphegorATS:
That's why I stay away from mods like those because they can make the game a lot harder even on the easiest difficulty mode. Furthermore, they also make aspects not included in the vanilla game a daily chore since you'll constantly have to keep your character fed and whatnot (I'm looking at you, Better Vampires). This constant state of demanding makes Skyrim less of an Elder Scrolls game and more like The Sims in my opinion. At some point you'll fall into a routine that may be unwelcome because you'll be focusing more on that than having fun playing. Working for something in a game that's supposed to make earning it fun is one thing; turning it into a daily routine is a completely different story that can possibly kill immersion with chores.

Fair point, and I played that way for a very long time. I needed a change though, and this was a neat set of mods to change up my game. I have been rp'ing eating and sleeping a long time in my Vanillla playthroughs, so it's actually nice that doing or not doing them will have consequences. This wasn't the case when I was rp'ing those actions while I was playing Vanilla.

I get what you're saying though.
Skyrimnut Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:36pm 
Originally posted by gnewna:
YAY! I thought you'd like Requiem :D And, yeah, my Rozenn MAY POSSIBLY have made the same 'mm, booze! wait, why'sh my magicka not regene... regnera... coming back?' mistake, although I think she died before I had a chance to save so I can't remember if I repeated it (for teh roleplayzor) or not. I'm still over in Vvardenfell being super-hardcore leet gamer, but glad you've started your new thread :D

Thank you for gracing this humble casual with your presence my super-hardcore leet friend. I supplicate myself and bask in your Internet presence.

It's always the quiet mages that abuse the booze.
gnewna Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:42pm 
Rozenn looks like such a good girl, right? Meanwhile, Amara my badass fighter (I restarted after installing MGSO) refused to even drink the Matze the Altmer in the shop in Seyda Neen gave her for refusing to do a mean thing for a bad man! (Although of course she accepted it with grace, she's a classy broad.)
BelphegorATS Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:46pm 
Originally posted by Skyrimnut:
I read through both and decided a more streamlined mod was better for me. It is configurable in the MCM menu to be less crazy which is what I opted for. In fact, that's what surprised me about all three of them. They are all highly tweakable. You can make it as hardcore, or as wussy as you want. I am closer to the wussy side of the spectrum of pain. Observe.

Spectrum of pain...

Wussy______________+__________________________________________Hardcore

Skyrimnut's position

It doesn't matter how easy or hard you want the game to be even with mods like the ones you are using. Nobody's going to make fun of you for playing on the easiest difficulty because you are more of a casual gamer than a professional. Professionals play on harder difficulty settings because they have honed their skills through constant practice which improved their experience. They feel ready for tougher challenges and want to prove themselves, so victory shows they've accomplished what they set out to do and proves they can handle more difficult obstacles.

Fun is not something that can be measured by professionalism as professionals don't seem to have much of it in my opinion since they always work for their achievements. Casual gamers have fun because they take the time to enjoy the game for what it is even on easier difficulty settings, so I believe they get a lot more out of a game than professionals do.
Adura Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:48pm 
Originally posted by Skyrimnut:
Thank you for gracing this humble casual with your presence my super-hardcore leet friend. I supplicate myself and bask in your Internet presence.

It's always the quiet mages that abuse the booze.

*slumped over a table with a suspiciously large number of empty wine bottles, a few companions glancing at the lone figure warily. There's trust in their eyes, but at the same time worry crinkles their faces.*

Adura: I can shtop anytimes I want! Reallllly! I don't even need to use my magicksh...even if they're pretty and shparkly.
Tomoe Companion: Yes, my empress. *sigh*
gnewna Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:48pm 
^^^ should probably be posted all over teh gaming internetz, frankly. (NB I hope it's clear that Skyrimnut and I are just joshing each other, I am only even able to play Morrowind because I installed a mod that lets me run everywhere because the walk speed made me want to pull out my own hair/teeth/eyes...)

(Crossposted with Adura, was really referring to Belphegor's post, but I like Adura's, too :) )
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Noppius Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:48pm 
Originally posted by BelphegorATS:
That's why I stay away from mods like those because they can make the game a lot harder even on the easiest difficulty mode. Furthermore, they also make aspects not included in the vanilla game a daily chore since you'll constantly have to keep your character fed and whatnot (I'm looking at you, Better Vampires). This constant state of demanding makes Skyrim less of an Elder Scrolls game and more like The Sims in my opinion. At some point you'll fall into a routine that may be unwelcome because you'll be focusing more on that than having fun playing. Working for something in a game that's supposed to make earning it fun is one thing; turning it into a daily routine is a completely different story that can possibly kill immersion with chores.

As OP mentioned, you can very much adjust the settings of those mods. I personaly use RND and find it very immersive when playing with that. In the vanilla game i had the feeling that i was Rambo on steroids
With RND and some other immersion mods, i feel more like the adventurer i want to be.
Tweaking the mods so that you find the perfect playstyle for yourself is a big part of modding Skyrim for me.
BelphegorATS Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:02pm 
Originally posted by Skyrimnut:
Originally posted by BelphegorATS:
That's why I stay away from mods like those because they can make the game a lot harder even on the easiest difficulty mode. Furthermore, they also make aspects not included in the vanilla game a daily chore since you'll constantly have to keep your character fed and whatnot (I'm looking at you, Better Vampires). This constant state of demanding makes Skyrim less of an Elder Scrolls game and more like The Sims in my opinion. At some point you'll fall into a routine that may be unwelcome because you'll be focusing more on that than having fun playing. Working for something in a game that's supposed to make earning it fun is one thing; turning it into a daily routine is a completely different story that can possibly kill immersion with chores.

Fair point, and I played that way for a very long time. I needed a change though, and this was a neat set of mods to change up my game. I have been rp'ing eating and sleeping a long time in my Vanillla playthroughs, so it's actually nice that doing or not doing them will have consequences. This wasn't the case when I was rp'ing those actions while I was playing Vanilla.

I get what you're saying though.

Seems like you already have experience dealing with the constant need for nourishment since you've been roleplaying that way in the vanilla game. I guess you are prepared for the real deal to some extent, though whether or not you can handle it is for you to determine. Roleplaying a concept is one thing, but to actually do it can be a completely different story. It can certainly be a refrshing change to switch from roleplaying to realism, though at the expense of controlling how and when you want to handle things since realism demands a lot from you. Don't forget, you can always return to roleplaying if things become unbearable for you. There's no shame in it because some people might not be fit for realism, but that's okay since at least you tried. No one will blame you for being casual, or for trying your hand at realism. Regardless, good luck and try to have as much fun as you can with realism.
BelphegorATS Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:21pm 
Originally posted by Noppius:
Originally posted by BelphegorATS:
That's why I stay away from mods like those because they can make the game a lot harder even on the easiest difficulty mode. Furthermore, they also make aspects not included in the vanilla game a daily chore since you'll constantly have to keep your character fed and whatnot (I'm looking at you, Better Vampires). This constant state of demanding makes Skyrim less of an Elder Scrolls game and more like The Sims in my opinion. At some point you'll fall into a routine that may be unwelcome because you'll be focusing more on that than having fun playing. Working for something in a game that's supposed to make earning it fun is one thing; turning it into a daily routine is a completely different story that can possibly kill immersion with chores.

As OP mentioned, you can very much adjust the settings of those mods. I personaly use RND and find it very immersive when playing with that. In the vanilla game i had the feeling that i was Rambo on steroids :D:
With RND and some other immersion mods, i feel more like the adventurer i want to be.
Tweaking the mods so that you find the perfect playstyle for yourself is a big part of modding Skyrim for me.

True, but sometimes even making modifications to your playstyle with those kinds of mods can make your game harder even after making adjustments that can make the game more realistic because the game will be demanding much more from you than what you might be putting in. It is all about satisfaction, really. Playing the game and having fun satisfies you, the player; using mods that increase immersion and realism like the ones Skyrimnut is using may satisfy you, but those mods can satisfy the game more than you because it demands for more. This can put you in a routine as I mentioned before, and it might not be fun anymore because you're working to keep the game happy rather than making yourself happy by having fun. There's only so much one can put into the game without it having to become a chore; once it's crossed that line, then it's not really too much of a game anymore since it would become more of a simulation activity than an actual game. The Sims is seen as a game by some, but it's more or less a daily routine because you have to do this, do that, keep the NPCs happy, etc. Skyrim could very well turn into that, but more on a micro perspective on one individual than a macro perspective covering everyone--and I mean everyone, i.e. every single individual in the game.
BelphegorATS Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:30pm 
Originally posted by Adura:
Originally posted by Skyrimnut:
Thank you for gracing this humble casual with your presence my super-hardcore leet friend. :B1: I supplicate myself and bask in your Internet presence.

It's always the quiet mages that abuse the booze.

*slumped over a table with a suspiciously large number of empty wine bottles, a few companions glancing at the lone figure warily. There's trust in their eyes, but at the same time worry crinkles their faces.*

Adura: I can shtop anytimes I want! Reallllly! I don't even need to use my magicksh...even if they're pretty and shparkly.
Tomoe Companion: Yes, my empress. *sigh*

Some mage you turned out to be. You're probably more concerned with feeding your bad habit rather than doing something more productive, like saving the world three times over (four if you count the College of Winterhold questline), advocating for world peace on Nirn, uniting an entire Empire shattered by a Great War, becoming a hero/heroine to the people, etc. Then again, you don't necessarily have to care about all of that since someone else will take up the burden at some point, so I guess you can pretty much go with the flow and let things run their course.

(No offense intended since I'm joking, but I do apologize if that's how it comes across.)
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