DUVN Jul 14, 2014 @ 6:30pm
Random CTDs
I am playing with a heavily modded skyrim and it hasent caused any problems before but now I can't take 50 steps without a CTD and that is not an exageration. The game works fine in closed spaces like towns or buildings but once I enter the open world of skyrim im guaranteed a CTD wherever I go. Im using mods both from the workshop and nexus. I have tried mulriple ways to fix the problem by; cleaning the master files like skyrim.esm and all the dlcs, uninstalled the latest mods I installed before the problem, and reinstalled the game.

Active Mod Files:
00 Skyrim.esm
01 Update.esm
02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]
03 Dawnguard.esm
04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0b]
05 HearthFires.esm
06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]
07 Dragonborn.esm
08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]
09 ApachiiHair.esm
0A CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm
0B ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
0C ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
0D Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
0E SkyMoMod.esm
0F SPIKE.esm
10 RSkyrimChildren.esm
11 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.1.4]
12 Chesko_Frostfall.esp
13 RevampedExteriorFog.esp
14 AOS.esp
15 Immersive Sounds - Aural Assortment.esp
16 Thundering Shouts.esp
17 ts_erock-dragon-fite.esp
18 StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
19 StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
1A StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
1B AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 1.00]
1C auto unequip arrows.esp
1D Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
1E Coins.esp
1F Dogs-of-Skyrim.esp
20 QuieterDogs.esp
21 DSpSoB.esp
22 EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp
23 HARODATH_ImmersiveSoulgems.esp
24 Hunterborn.esp
25 Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
26 Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp
27 Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp
28 Populated Forts Towers Places.esp
29 Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp
2A Populated Skyrim Civil War.esp
2B SkyrimToyStory.esp
2C WetandCold.esp
2D WetandCold - Ashes.esp
2E RaceMenu.esp
2F RaceMenuPlugin.esp
30 Player Size Adjuster.esp
31 SkyUI.esp
32 iHUD.esp
33 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
34 BoundArmors.esp
35 Cloaks.esp
36 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
37 1nivWICCloaks.esp [Version 2.3]
38 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp [Version 2.3]
39 Dwemer Goggles & Scouter.esp
3A hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
3B Immersive Weapons.esp
3C OMageCommonRobesV2.esp
3D OMageReplacerPack.esp
3E skyforgedShields.esp
3F StormLord.esp
40 HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp [Version 2.0]
41 HarvestOverhaulSalmonRoe.esp
42 HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfireDragonborn.esp
43 DeadlyDragons.esp
44 ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI.esp
45 SkyRe_Main.esp
46 SkyRe_Combat.esp
47 SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
48 SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
49 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
4A SkyRe_HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonbornPatch.esp
4B SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
4C SkyRe_Survivalism.esp
4D SkyRe_HelmlessPerks.esp
4E Unique Uniques.esp [Version 1.5]
4F quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp
50 Bards&Merchants.esp
51 BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
52 Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp
53 tos_granitehall.esp
54 Hebrock_Der Schatten von Meresis - EV.esp
55 katixasciderhouse.esp
56 quest_nomercy.esp
57 quest_pitfighter.esp
58 quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp
59 PumpingIron.esp
5A quest_sorcery.esp
5B quest_seaofghosts.esp
5C SpouseStoreMod.esp
5D quest_thebiggertheyare.esp
5E wyrmstooth.esp [Version 1.11]
5F AchieveThat.esp
60 AncientDBarmorTSedition.esp
61 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
62 Book Covers Dawnguard.esp
63 Book Covers Hearthfire.esp
64 Book Covers Dragonborn.esp
65 br_hoodcirclets.esp
66 Civil War Overhaul.esp
67 Differently Ebony.esp
68 Headtracking.esp
69 OpulentMageUSKPReplacerPatch.esp
6A Realistic werewolf speed.esp
6B SkyRealism - Grass.esp [Version 1.0.]
6C SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
6D Convenient Horses.esp
6E dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
6F Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
70 TorchRadius.esp
71 skyforgedWeapons.esp
72 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
73 drinking fountains of skyrim.esp
74 ETaC - Complete.esp
75 ETaC - Complete HF Patch.esp
76 ETaC - Smelters.esp
77 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
78 Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 105.1]
79 tos_amber_guard.esp
7A tos_laintardale_hf.esp
7B tos_oakwood_hf.esp
7C WhiterunAlivePiano.esp
7D Unique Grasses.esp
7E DawnofWindhelm.esp
7F Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp
80 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
81 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
82 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
83 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
84 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
85 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
86 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
87 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
88 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp
89 Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
8A Better Vampires.esp
8B Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
8C WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6.esp
8D WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6b.esp
8E Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
8F mindcontrol.esp
90 SmartCast_1_0.esp [Version 1.0]
91 BetterMagic_FULL.esp
92 Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
93 NoSneakAttackSound.esp
94 UltimateCombat.esp
95 DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp
96 Locational Damage.esp
97 The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
98 Yield.esp
99 BatTravel.esp
9A Sneak Tools.esp
9B Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
9C Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
9D 3DNPC.esp
9E RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
9F RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
A0 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
A1 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
A2 RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp
A3 Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
A4 RND_USKP-Patch.esp
A5 inigo.esp
A6 A Simple Marriage Mod.esp
A7 NonEssentialChildren.esp
A8 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.4]
A9 SkyRe_Races.esp
AA ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
AB Immersive Interiors.esp
AC WATER.esp
AD WATER DG.esp
AE WATER DB.esp
AF Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp
B0 warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp
B1 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp
B2 ReProccer.esp
B3 DragonBornCircletsWithCrown.esp
B4 Equipping Overhaul.esp
B5 RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp
B6 RSChildren - Complete.esp
B7 RSChildren_PatchNEC.esp [Version 1.1.0]
B8 RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp
B9 DawnofRiften.esp


Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Last edited by DUVN; Jul 14, 2014 @ 6:31pm
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Tibbers Jul 14, 2014 @ 8:03pm 
Have you tried using LOOT for your load order?
DUVN Jul 15, 2014 @ 6:14am 
Originally posted by GoyoElGringo:
Have you tried using LOOT for your load order?
I just used loot and it just delayed the crash
Ilja Jul 15, 2014 @ 6:27am 
LOOT sorts out load order and informs about error, but does not fix latter. However, it is not build to find problems with pathces and similar things.

Try running your load order trough TES5Edit. It inspects your mods and their relation in more deeper level.

TES5Edit by ElminsterAU
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859/?

Instructions:
- Open TES5Edit
- Make sure that all mods are select in your list. Skyrim.esm does not need to be active.
- Click "OK" and let it run.
- Program will stop and inform you, if it finds a problem. Close it (look from below), gix the problem and run it again.
- Program is finished, once the listing stops and says "finished."
- Close the program. It does not ask you to save anything, because you did not change anything. If it does ask something, select no, meaning Hell No, and close it.

There are tutorial videos about TES5Edit in that page. You can look trough them, for important instructions about cleaning your master files.

Good luck.
Last edited by Ilja; Jul 15, 2014 @ 6:54am
Mumbles Jul 15, 2014 @ 6:27am 
My guess is that some combo of all the places, quests & home mods that you have are not playing nice with each other.

Or the Populated series is adding too many NPCs to the world and the game crashes when you've taxed your system too much.

Or a combination of both.
MageThis Jul 15, 2014 @ 6:49am 
What ^ and ^^ said. Can we pin this thread? I subscribed.
Mumbles Jul 15, 2014 @ 6:56am 
I should add that Wet & Cold and lots of extra NPCs running around is a huge strain on any system memory. Do you really need to know that those bandits over there are also in a cold and frozen land?

As an experiment - turn off Frostfall, Wet & Cold thru the MCM menus - and see if you still crash, or if it just takes longer.

Also why isn't the Reproccer at the bottom? It should be at the bottom! I also see IA & IW but I don't see any of the Pre/Proc patches for those mods either ... or did you just leave them out for tidiness?

Originally posted by MageThis:
What ^ and ^^ said. Can we pin this thread? I subscribed.

Why would we do this?! If they pinned every thread called RANDOM CTD we'd ... never have to answer questions ever again?! Woohoo!


Ilja Jul 15, 2014 @ 7:05am 
Originally posted by Mumbles:
Why would we do this?! If they pinned every thread called RANDOM CTD we'd ... never have to answer questions ever again?! Woohoo!

Your assumption is wrong and that has already been proven.

If we ever pinn any topic having information about tools and CTDs, we will spend our lives answering to these questions over and over again, because no one reades them before making questions first.

You don't believe me?

We have a pinned thread, with information about these tools and CTDs. :D
Last edited by Ilja; Jul 15, 2014 @ 7:06am
Mumbles Jul 15, 2014 @ 7:09am 
Originally posted by Ilja (Ref):

We have a pinned thread, with information about these tools and CTDs. :D

Lies! I see nothing up there I tell you!
Ilja Jul 15, 2014 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by Mumbles:
Lies! I see nothing up there I tell you!
Look further, on to horizon.

Posts about random CTDs. As far as eye can see.

Isn't it a lovely sight?
*Snif*
Last edited by Ilja; Jul 15, 2014 @ 7:11am
Zefram Cochrane Jul 15, 2014 @ 8:56am 
Originally posted by Mumbles:
Why would we do this?! If they pinned every thread called RANDOM CTD we'd ... never have to answer questions ever again?! Woohoo!

But then the forum would be empty, there'd be tumbleweed blowing through it...
DUVN Jul 15, 2014 @ 12:59pm 
Originally posted by Mumbles:
I should add that Wet & Cold and lots of extra NPCs running around is a huge strain on any system memory. Do you really need to know that those bandits over there are also in a cold and frozen land?

As an experiment - turn off Frostfall, Wet & Cold thru the MCM menus - and see if you still crash, or if it just takes longer.

Also why isn't the Reproccer at the bottom? It should be at the bottom! I also see IA & IW but I don't see any of the Pre/Proc patches for those mods either ... or did you just leave them out for tidiness?
!
Ok so I did what you said modified my load order and sent the reprocer to the bottom, and I also tried to play with frostfall and wet and cold turned off but it still crashed. I also tried to play with all the population mods turned off but it still ended up crashing.
Last edited by DUVN; Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:05pm
Dr. Shocks . DO Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:05pm 
You're using a lot of resource heavy mods [high texture replacers, SMIM, script heavy mods].
It's probably a resource issue. You can try allocating more memory to Skyrim with SKSE 1.7.1 and incorperating the correct SKSE.ini tweaks.
If that still doesn't help you can try ENBoost [ENB without the graphics settings], to dump resources onto your VRAM, thus freeing more ram for Skyrim.
Mumbles Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:39pm 
At this stage - your specs would be more helpful than your load order.
Ilja Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:47pm 
Originally posted by Mumbles:
At this stage - your specs would be more helpful than your load order.

I would also suggest that you enable your papyrus log and view it after each CTD.

No need to post it here, because just one file rarely gives us the whole view (unless we are authors of spesific mod causing trouble), but you can make a lot of conclusions about following up the events yourself.

This is how I have isolated troublemakers that were not obvious in LOOT and TES5Edit.

- In your Documents > My Games > Skyrim, open Skyrim.ini
- Include the following text and values, if they are not already set.

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

- Logs will be created under Documents > My Games > Skyrim > Logs > Script
- Papyrus.0.log is always the most resent one.
- If the text file looks impossible to read, then copy the content and paste it in to any other text editor field, like Word, Write, any forum application
- Pay attention to scripts that are spamming and/or failing constantly. Also pay attention to scripts around lines "VM is freezing" and last scripts exectued before CTD.

You are likely to see pattern there soon enough. Try uninstalling troublesome mods and do testgames without them to see if crashing continues.
Last edited by Ilja; Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:47pm
DeCries VanGeoduck Jul 15, 2014 @ 1:56pm 
Someone might have already posted this, but using Tes5Edit and cleaning master files helped me. Gopher on youtube made a video on how to clean them.
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