Elaini Jul 21 @ 9:15am
Anyone else confused by Silver Hand?
They are werewolf hunters which is more noble of a goal, but then again they live like bandits and gamble with wolf fights in filthy skeever fit damp caves...
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Delta 1038 Jul 21 @ 9:16am 
They're sadistic bandits who hunt Werewolves for ♥♥♥♥ and giggles.
bobczes Jul 21 @ 9:17am 
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
medavroog Jul 21 @ 11:44am 
Originally posted by Delta 1038:
They're sadistic bandits who hunt Werewolves for ♥♥♥♥ and giggles.

... agreed.
... and the leader of Dawnguard is an egotistic delusional jack-ay-sys.
Two Bears Jul 21 @ 11:54am 
Basically, it is the Bethesda attempt at grey morality. It isn't a terrible try, but not all that compelling in the end.
][G][ The Cure Jul 21 @ 11:57am 
Originally posted by Elaini:
They are werewolf hunters which is more noble of a goal, but then again they live like bandits and gamble with wolf fights in filthy skeever fit damp caves...
Silver Hands are portrayed as pure black becasue that's what they actually are. They kill plenty of innocents and torture plenty of non lycans.
Zefram Cochrane Jul 21 @ 11:58am 
Originally posted by Elaini:
They are werewolf hunters which is more noble of a goal, but then again they live like bandits and gamble with wolf fights in filthy skeever fit damp caves...

They behave exactly like bandits so I treat them as such. I've got no respect for them at all.

But yeah I do find them a bit... strange.
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Two Bears Jul 21 @ 12:02pm 
Originally posted by Zefram Cochrane:
Originally posted by Elaini:
They are werewolf hunters which is more noble of a goal, but then again they live like bandits and gamble with wolf fights in filthy skeever fit damp caves...

They behave exactly like bandits so I treat them like such. Got no respect for them at all.

But yeah I do find them a bit... strange.

Well it comes down to the whole thing where they are opposing werewolves, which is supposed to be a good thing since werewolves are evil, but they can't be good because you're supposed to see the Companions as the good guys. I think it would have been much more interesting if the Silver Hand were actually noble, leaving the player with a real conundrum, and perhaps the option to switch sides. Do you keep the Companions intact and eliminate the Silver Hand or do you join up with the Silver Hand and expose the Companion leadership for what it really is? Now that would be compelling.
Skyrimnut Jul 21 @ 12:10pm 
Originally posted by Two Bears:
Originally posted by Zefram Cochrane:

They behave exactly like bandits so I treat them like such. Got no respect for them at all.

But yeah I do find them a bit... strange.

Well it comes down to the whole thing where they are opposing werewolves, which is supposed to be a good thing since werewolves are evil, but they can't be good because you're supposed to see the Companions as the good guys. I think it would have been much more interesting if the Silver Hand were actually noble, leaving the player with a real conundrum, and perhaps the option to switch sides. Do you keep the Companions intact and eliminate the Silver Hand or do you join up with the Silver Hand and expose the Companion leadership for what it really is? Now that would be compelling.

That always bothered me about the Companions, and I've had Vigilant builds that started out joining them, because how would they know they're werewolves, only to flat out leave when it was learned about who they were. In that playthrough, the quest was simply left unfinished and he never entered the mead hall again, but you cannot kill them and I have a hard time playing a Vigilant that would just simply let that slide. It really would've been nice if there had been an option to join the silver hand at Dustman's Cairn instead and let that be the warrior guild. Dawnguard did a better job solving that faction issue. Except that there is no option for Vampires to join the Volkihar and bypass the Dawnguard, unless you play the game as an infiltrator of some type.
SimbaTao Jul 21 @ 12:24pm 
The fact that they were hostile to me before I ever did the Companion stuff made them target prcatice to me. If they left me alone when I walked by one of their hang outs I might have felt a bit off for killing them as a Companion. They are just glorified bandits really, so slaughter away!
Two Bears Jul 21 @ 12:26pm 
Originally posted by Skyrimnut:
Originally posted by Two Bears:

Well it comes down to the whole thing where they are opposing werewolves, which is supposed to be a good thing since werewolves are evil, but they can't be good because you're supposed to see the Companions as the good guys. I think it would have been much more interesting if the Silver Hand were actually noble, leaving the player with a real conundrum, and perhaps the option to switch sides. Do you keep the Companions intact and eliminate the Silver Hand or do you join up with the Silver Hand and expose the Companion leadership for what it really is? Now that would be compelling.

That always bothered me about the Companions, and I've had Vigilant builds that started out joining them, because how would they know they're werewolves, only to flat out leave when it was learned about who they were. In that playthrough, the quest was simply left unfinished and he never entered the mead hall again, but you cannot kill them and I have a hard time playing a Vigilant that would just simply let that slide. It really would've been nice if there had been an option to join the silver hand at Dustman's Cairn instead and let that be the warrior guild. Dawnguard did a better job solving that faction issue. Except that there is no option for Vampires to join the Volkihar and bypass the Dawnguard, unless you play the game as an infiltrator of some type.

I think the Dawnguard resolution is more satisfactory (albeit only slightly so for me) because it is binary in nature. You can either side with the vampires that want to blot out the sun or the Dawnguard that want to prevent that from happening. There isn't a whole lot of moral wiggle room there. Vampires have lost their humanity and therefore irredeemable. The Companions could have been so very different; they're not bad guys when they are human, but as werewolves they are every bit as dangerous as the elements that they try to protect people from. This gives me an idea for a third option.

So, you can side with the Silver Hand and wipe them out, resulting in the end boss of the questline being the Companion leadership. You can side with Kodlak, eliminate the Silver Hand and then ultimately redeem the Companions by having them remove their wolfitude, but that causes Skjor and Aela to turn hosile and forcing the PC to kill them. Lastly, you can side with the Companions to wipe out the Silver Hand, but engineer a coup to make Skjor the harbinger, making the Circle unrepentant and causing Kodlak and Vilkas to become hostile.

Oh the missed opportunities.
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Skyrimnut Jul 21 @ 12:40pm 
Originally posted by Two Bears:
Originally posted by Skyrimnut:

That always bothered me about the Companions, and I've had Vigilant builds that started out joining them, because how would they know they're werewolves, only to flat out leave when it was learned about who they were. In that playthrough, the quest was simply left unfinished and he never entered the mead hall again, but you cannot kill them and I have a hard time playing a Vigilant that would just simply let that slide. It really would've been nice if there had been an option to join the silver hand at Dustman's Cairn instead and let that be the warrior guild. Dawnguard did a better job solving that faction issue. Except that there is no option for Vampires to join the Volkihar and bypass the Dawnguard, unless you play the game as an infiltrator of some type.

I think the Dawnguard resolution is more satisfactory (albeit only slightly so for me) because it is binary in nature. You can either side with the vampires that want to blot out the sun or the Dawnguard that want to prevent that from happening. There isn't a whole lot of moral wiggle room there. Vampires have lost their humanity and therefore irredeemable. The Companions could have been so very different; they're not bad guys when they are human, but as werewolves they are every bit as dangerous as the elements that they try to protect people from. This gives me an idea for a third option.

So, you can side with the Silver Hand and wipe them out, resulting in the end boss of the questline being the Companion leadership. You can side with Kodlak, eliminate the Silver Hand and then ultimately redeem the Companions by having them remove their wolfitude, but that causes Skjor and Aela to turn hosile and forcing the PC to kill them. Lastly, you can side with the Companions to wipe out the Silver Hand, but engineer a coup to make Skjor the harbinger, making the Circle unrepentant and causing Kodlak and Vilkas to become hostile.

Oh the missed opportunities.

That could be very cool. A nice, complex option, and you still get to send a sweet old man to Sovengarde. And it also elminates the absolutely STUPID way they kill a major member of the circle. He's supposed to be the best of the best, and yet he dies from a couple of silverhand, yet my idiot level 6 werewolf can kick the Skinner all the way to Oblivion. But I digress.

Bleh, what they could've done was develop the Vigilant faction better. I have a feeling more was intended with that group and then it got tossed by the wayside for simplicity's sake.
M'aiq the Liar Jul 21 @ 12:50pm 
I thought the companions were the most boring guild in Skyrim. They spoiled the Werewolf thing too early. The Silverhand are just bandits renamed "Silverhand" with silver weapons that's it.

Super boring uninteresting faction questline. I only join the Companions to access their trainers.

Fighters Guild>Companions.
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Brandybuck Jul 21 @ 12:57pm 
Originally posted by Delta 1038:
They're sadistic bandits who hunt Werewolves for ♥♥♥♥ and giggles.
Absolutely. The probably imagine themselves like the Vigilants, but in reality they're just sadistic lowlives the Vigilants rejected. Werewolves may be evil, but the Silver Hand is just using that as an excuse for their sadism.

"We can't flay argonians alive, people frown on that, so we have to make due with werewolves..."
Two Bears Jul 21 @ 1:08pm 
Originally posted by Skyrimnut:
Originally posted by Two Bears:

I think the Dawnguard resolution is more satisfactory (albeit only slightly so for me) because it is binary in nature. You can either side with the vampires that want to blot out the sun or the Dawnguard that want to prevent that from happening. There isn't a whole lot of moral wiggle room there. Vampires have lost their humanity and therefore irredeemable. The Companions could have been so very different; they're not bad guys when they are human, but as werewolves they are every bit as dangerous as the elements that they try to protect people from. This gives me an idea for a third option.

So, you can side with the Silver Hand and wipe them out, resulting in the end boss of the questline being the Companion leadership. You can side with Kodlak, eliminate the Silver Hand and then ultimately redeem the Companions by having them remove their wolfitude, but that causes Skjor and Aela to turn hosile and forcing the PC to kill them. Lastly, you can side with the Companions to wipe out the Silver Hand, but engineer a coup to make Skjor the harbinger, making the Circle unrepentant and causing Kodlak and Vilkas to become hostile.

Oh the missed opportunities.

That could be very cool. A nice, complex option, and you still get to send a sweet old man to Sovengarde. And it also elminates the absolutely STUPID way they kill a major member of the circle. He's supposed to be the best of the best, and yet he dies from a couple of silverhand, yet my idiot level 6 werewolf can kick the Skinner all the way to Oblivion. But I digress.

Bleh, what they could've done was develop the Vigilant faction better. I have a feeling more was intended with that group and then it got tossed by the wayside for simplicity's sake.

Indeed. I would be much more forgiving about TES's faults if Bethesda could just improve the writing. It shouldn't be that hard to do given that I just wrote a better questline than anything you'll find in Skyrim, and I am multitasking with the forum, playing with my kids and watching TI4.
][G][ The Cure Jul 21 @ 1:14pm 
Yeah, Beth's writing is awesome.
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