BarbarianHeart Aug 27 @ 10:36am
UFO or AFT??
Hello guys. My first post asking a (potentially) dumb question instead of trying to answer one. I am in process of rebuilding Skyrim and I am torn between which follower mod to use; Ultimate Follower Overhaul or Amazing Follower Tweaks (I am assuming that they can't be used together, can they?).

I was using UFO, and I did try AFT for a while, but I can't remember why I stopped using AFT. It may have been because UFO is more popular and more modders say their follower mods work best with UFO.

So, here is the second part of my question (and, yes, I could go off and find this out for myself, but I was thinking that maybe others may be wondering about these two mods themselves so I decided to post): are there male followers that were created to work with AFT? They list followers in the AFT mod description but they are all female, except for the patch that lets AFT work with the 3D NCP (Interesting NCPs) mod.

Thanks in advance for your help. :)
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Hanomaly Aug 27 @ 10:53am 
i started out using UFO and liked the "immerisve" way it let you tweak the settings. You know like.. to change a follower who was not essential to essential in UFO it's like "You are very important" (or something like that).. While AFT is more basic "Click to set follower Essential".

But, now a days i use AFT anyway. i feel like AFT has more features that i like (i like the wardrobe function, to set like town clothes, sleep clothes, combat clothes for followers). And i like how AFT lets you manually choose how your followers level up (a feature i don't remember UFO having). But, in the end really they have a few different features (and i don't think one is necessarily 'definitely' better than the other), so mostly i think you have to try them for yourself and see which one feels best for you.

As for AFT working with male followers, i've used it with male followers that come with Interesting NPCs/3D NPCs, plus Hoth.. which is the only male follower i've added via a mod.

Aryel_Emrys Aug 27 @ 7:13pm 
Try EFF. I do not recommend UFO seems outdated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k7IHXW4hbo
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Panda Aug 27 @ 8:07pm 
I use EFF myself but that's mostly because I preferred the lighter EFF; I didn't need all the things UFO and AFT does.
BarbarianHeart Aug 28 @ 5:44am 
I had forgotten about EFF. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. :)

And a big thank you to everyone who answered my post. You have really helped me a lot! :D
Ilja Aug 28 @ 5:52am 
- UFO is not outdated. On the contrary, it was made and updated for compatibility in mind. It lacks all the fancy features of others, but works with almost everything.

- AFT is most alive follower mod from all of them. It works well with all vanilla characters, but has some problems with certain custom followers (so called "smart followers") and overhauls. It has the largest learning curve, but otherwise it is a very good mod.

- EFF with Dawnguard DLC is not recommended. However, if you are not using Dawnguard (and thus don't have Serana in your company), then EFF is probably fastest and easiest to use. If really you want to use EFF with Serana, be sure to grap 4.0 Alpha version instead of the current stable one.

Edit: Ups, I didn't notice that BarbarianHeart had already thanked and moved forward. Oh well, here is my 2 cents for others. :)
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Panda Aug 28 @ 6:02am 
Originally posted by Ilja (Ref):
- EFF with Dawnguard DLC is not recommended. However, if you are not using Dawnguard (and thus don't have Serana in your company), then EFF is probably fastest and easiest to use. If really you want to use EFF with Serana, be sure to grap 4.0 Alpha version instead of the current stable one.

I have EFF 3.5.6 and I don't have any issues with Serana as my follower. I finished the Dawnguard quest line a while back and have had her ever since. She's currently dismissed and at home in a home mod though since I'm doing the Thieves' Guild quests.

Why exactly is EFF not recommended with Dawnguard?
Ilja Aug 28 @ 6:46am 
Originally posted by Panda:
I have EFF 3.5.6 and I don't have any issues with Serana as my follower. I finished the Dawnguard quest line a while back and have had her ever since. She's currently dismissed and at home in a home mod though since I'm doing the Thieves' Guild quests.

Why exactly is EFF not recommended with Dawnguard?

Serana's AI is not fully compatible with it. These problems are mostly related to certain type mods - especially homes and clothing - and may not appear at all in another way modded playtrough.

However, other kind of playtroughs may end up Serana running around naked and attacking against you, in the middle of a battle. Repeatedly. She calms down, puts her clothes on and... dragon attacks, she strips and attacks against the player character.

I have interesting screenshots in my HD. I can't share them in Steam, because I never bothered to install underwear options with CBBE. In these picture, our undead friend is running against me, completely naked in a middle of a glacier and shooting her forst spells at me, while dragon is shouting fire behind us. :=

I haven't read or faced any similar silly things from 4.0 Alpha, but I rather wait for author to finish EFF, before I move in to it.
Panda Aug 28 @ 7:03am 
Originally posted by Ilja (Ref):
Originally posted by Panda:
I have EFF 3.5.6 and I don't have any issues with Serana as my follower. I finished the Dawnguard quest line a while back and have had her ever since. She's currently dismissed and at home in a home mod though since I'm doing the Thieves' Guild quests.

Why exactly is EFF not recommended with Dawnguard?

Serana's AI is not fully compatible with it. These problems are mostly related to certain type mods - especially homes and clothing - and may not appear at all in another way modded playtrough.

However, other kind of playtroughs may end up Serana running around naked and attacking against you, in the middle of a battle. Repeatedly. She calms down, puts her clothes on and... dragon attacks, she strips and attacks against the player character.

I have interesting screenshots in my HD. I can't share them in Steam, because I never bothered to install underwear options with CBBE. In these picture, our undead friend is running against me, completely naked in a middle of a glacier and shooting her forst spells at me, while dragon is shouting fire behind us. :=

I haven't read or faced any similar silly things from 4.0 Alpha, but I rather wait for author to finish EFF, before I move in to it.

Odd. And it's been definitely confirmed that the issue is with EFF, and can be reproduced with vanilla Dawnguard and EFF, and not an incompatiblity with another mod? I'm not seeing any of that.
Ilja Aug 28 @ 7:31am 
Originally posted by Panda:
Odd. And it's been definitely confirmed that the issue is with EFF, and can be reproduced with vanilla Dawnguard and EFF, and not an incompatiblity with another mod? I'm not seeing any of that.

You know what? I may have made a mistake with this.

I did a pretty good test runs with EFF and Serana. I am quite aware that EFF actually has a lot of common with Serana's AI, but that was also part of the problem.

It just occured to me - now that I am thinking it again after all these months - that I may have overlooked something there. I will have to download EFF, play to Serana and see if I what I now suspect is true.

In short, forget everything I wrote above about EFF -for now. I try not to talk about something that I am not sure of, and I don't have a problem to admit that I might have been wrong in this - if that indeed was the case.
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Panda Aug 28 @ 7:35am 
Let us know how the experiment goes. :) I might have to switch to MO soon for those separate game profiles. >_<
Ilja Aug 28 @ 7:45am 
Originally posted by Panda:
Let us know how the experiment goes. :) I might have to switch to MO soon for those separate game profiles. >_<

Comment from support page:
Serana is unique in that she has her own little follower system. Tacking her out of this system and or modifing it can and usually does brake the dawngurd quests.

This is exactly how I have understood the situation. Serana's AI is different from other followers. You should manage her with spell in AFT and tracking her with EFF kind of leads to a double tracking during Dawnguard questline, because it is already been done. How bad the problem gets (or does not get) seems to be related what types of mods you have in your load order.

What I may have overlookd wast what caused her occasional aggression in my game. I am almost sure that Serana's unique AI contributed to that, but reasons may not be the ones I was after - meaning not entirely (or all) EFF's fault.

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MO is quite handy. when you get a hang of it. Gopher is doing pretty good tutorial series about it. I was already using MO, but learned few extra things from them. :)

Edit: I forgot to add, that all the problems I have read and experienced are related to Dawnguard questline. Serana should be safe to manage with what ever mod you have, once DG is done.
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Panda Aug 28 @ 7:59am 
I'm tempted to switch over mainly for the fine-grained mod activation where you can select which parts of a mod to actually activate. Would help me a lot since I'm mixing and matching animation mods and sets of armor replacements. Currently, I do this by cracking open the mods and manually combining them before zipping them back up for NMM.

But yeah, separate profiles is really handy for when you want to try out individual mods or groups of mods in a sandboxed game.
BarbarianHeart Aug 28 @ 10:02am 
And ANOTHER big thank you is in order for all the new posts. Your knowledge and experience is always appreciated! :)
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