Carolus Aug 25 @ 3:18am
Lag on a mid/high end PC?
So I've been playing Skyrim for sometime now but I'd thought I'd try out the PC side of things to see how could the mods where but before I try to even mod, I launch the game once with nothing but default and it runs at constant 60 at the beggining until I head into Helgen where the frame drops down to 20-32 FPS while I can run Far Cry 3 maxed out at almost constant 60.

GPU - Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB (DDR5)
RAM - HyperX Fury 8GB (2x4 DDR3 1600Mhz)
CPU - AMD FX 6300 Black Edition
PSU - Corsair CX600M
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[IOS]Marius Aug 25 @ 3:20am 
Maybe due to a lot of scripts running at the beginning ? I have the same `problem`, but it goes away if I`m in the fort
Carolus Aug 25 @ 3:22am 
Yeah same but that's because interiors are much less demanding in some cases.
Carolus Aug 25 @ 3:23am 
For example, in Whiterun I drop down to the same frames I mentioned in Helgen, roughly 20-30. Which I wouldn't be complaining but having spent near enough 800$ on my PC, it annoys me.
Mormacil Aug 25 @ 3:25am 
Vanilla game? No mods? Updated drivers? Tried lowering the settings just to test? Seems like NPCs for some reason bog your game down.
Carolus Aug 25 @ 3:26am 
Yeah it's utterly vanilla and my drivers are the latest (I think) AMD 14.4, I'll give Skyrim another boot on lower settings though and see if that helps.
[IOS]Marius Aug 25 @ 3:26am 
Originally posted by Carolus:
For example, in Whiterun I drop down to the same frames I mentioned in Helgen, roughly 20-30. Which I wouldn't be complaining but having spent near enough 800$ on my PC, it annoys me.

I know what you mean, my frames are dropping in Towns/Cities on about 30 FPS. Outside I got 60+ Frames constantly. I also spent on a new RAM stick and a new GPU, but still can`t play smooth in the Citys, even with or withot mods/low graphic settings.

I think, that`s because the CPU has to process all NPC`s and their activity.
OldWorld Aug 25 @ 3:28am 
This game is incredibly CPU intensive because it was ported straight from console. Unfortunately the only method I can really recommend is to overclock your CPU. I've overclocked mine from 3.4GHz to 4.8GHz, capped at 60fps, and it rarely drops below 60.
Carolus Aug 25 @ 3:31am 
I'll give overclocking a go maybe a bit later on my next pay as I'm afraid the FX 6300 reaches temps of over 60 degrees on full load so I'll buy an aftermarket cooler, overclock and see what happens. But I was watching benchmarks of people who ran a HD 7870 and i5 750 who got much better performance than me running ENBs and 2k textures, quite fustrating really.
pedantic_roc Aug 25 @ 4:10am 
Taken Straight from Technet, and why I stuck with my old Phenom II Black Edition (Deneb)

Quote:
"A dual-core processor offers enough horsepower to play Skyrim, especially if it's aggressively clocked. We were also surprised by how fast the new Core i7-3960X was, delivering 20% more performance than the i7-2600K. Meanwhile, we were saddened to see AMD's FX series deliver a substandard showing."
End Quote.

Weirdly, the newer AMD offerings are not as good as their older offerings - or so it would seem.
Skyrim doesn't help matters because, although it will address more cores, it seems to favour one over the rest. Ported game nemesis. Anyway, I'm sure you'll end up with an acceptable and very playable game, eventually. Here's hoping and good luck.

MageThis Aug 25 @ 4:22am 
Yeah, your CPU would be the bottle-neck. It was a mid-range CPU 2 years ago and without over-clocking was about 10% slower than the then current Intel i5. 60 degrees Tcase Max temp is fine but if you are going to seriously over-clock a cooled CPU is a happy CPU.

Edit: It appears (overclock.net) that 62 C is the Tcase upper limit for an AMD FX 6300 so you should seriously throttle back the settings (medium?) until you get proper cooling.
Be careful because there are two measurements of the CPU temp: Tjunction Max and Tcase max Tjunction Max would be the internal temperature of the CPU cores while Tcase would be the temp reported in the BIOS. The core temp is usually about 10C higher than the temp reported by the BIOS (dependant on load).
So, it is entirely possible the i5 750 will achieve better results because it may safely run at higher temperatures than your AMD CPU.
I would check the AMD site for Tjunction and Tcase maximum values for your CPU.
K.locust Aug 25 @ 4:35am 
Originally posted by Carolus:
I'll give overclocking a go maybe a bit later on my next pay as I'm afraid the FX 6300 reaches temps of over 60 degrees on full load so I'll buy an aftermarket cooler, overclock and see what happens. But I was watching benchmarks of people who ran a HD 7870 and i5 750 who got much better performance than me running ENBs and 2k textures, quite fustrating really.

Because the i5 is that much better than a 6300, as far as games are concerned at least. And skyrim uses CPU almost exclusively for some things, like shadows. 7970 becomes a spectator.

Get a 20 or 30$ aftermarket cooler for that CPU, do some reading on the how tos, and OC that 6300 until he says enough.

Your performance should shoot up, not just in Skyrim but everywhere. A 7970s is hardly well paired with that CPU, but make the best of it.
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Carolus Aug 25 @ 4:52am 
Originally posted by K.imagine:
Originally posted by Carolus:
I'll give overclocking a go maybe a bit later on my next pay as I'm afraid the FX 6300 reaches temps of over 60 degrees on full load so I'll buy an aftermarket cooler, overclock and see what happens. But I was watching benchmarks of people who ran a HD 7870 and i5 750 who got much better performance than me running ENBs and 2k textures, quite fustrating really.

Because the i5 is that much better than a 6300, as far as games are concerned at least. And skyrim uses CPU almost exclusively for some things, like shadows. 7970 becomes a spectator.

Get a 20 or 30$ aftermarket cooler for that CPU, do some reading on the how tos, and OC that 6300 until he says enough.

Your performance should shoot up, not just in Skyrim but everywhere. A 7970s is hardly well paired with that CPU, but make the best of it.

Alright man, thank you. I just bought a CM Hyper 212 Evo, but I'd like to actually save a little more money ontop and buy an FX 8350. Hopefully that should boost my performance significantly.
pedantic_roc Aug 25 @ 4:57am 
Originally posted by Carolus:
I just bought a CM Hyper 212 Evo..

Grrr... That thing's too big for my case! It's taken me weeks to get my CPU temp down to a constant 54 degrees on full chat, you'll have no problems at all. Good choice! :-)
Harichi Aug 25 @ 5:09am 
My frames do not drop at all, Skyrim is less resource-demanding than Minecraft is. And I'm not even kidding.
K.locust Aug 25 @ 5:34am 
Originally posted by Carolus:
Alright man, thank you. I just bought a CM Hyper 212 Evo, but I'd like to actually save a little more money ontop and buy an FX 8350. Hopefully that should boost my performance significantly.

Yes definitely. Since you already have the AMD backbone, same socket, yea go for it. EVO top notch cooler too. Expect an easy 4.8/5 Ghz from the 8350 if the motherboard or ram don't get in the way. 7970 performance now and then, will be night and day.

At the price range FX-8350 loses a bit to intel in gaming still, but beats em at everything else, since amd actually does 8 physical, actual cores, and no 4 cores + 4 threads. They take the manly approach.
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